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CAN SATELLITES DETECT BURIED TREASURE?
« on: March 06, 2012, 09:32:07 AM »
Hello guys. May I get your opinion on this topic? Lately the subject of using satellites to detect buried treasure popped up and I find it hard to believe.
Have they developed that technology?
If it were true, those who have access to the satellites would go around plucking the deposits without much ado.
Yesterday, a friend led me to some guys who were digging somewhere and that they supposedly used the satellite to detect their site.
They showed me some Google Earth images of sites in their laptop which had some unusual white spots which they said were gold deposits.
That got me into thinking how they were able to come up with those images - are they authentic or just edited in photoshop or something?
Now, for all I know Google Earth is not real time as those image were taken in the past and are being updated from time to time.
My idea of obtaining genuine images of sites is that the pictures must be taken in real time and special lens with infrared filter must be employed to capture the aura of buried items.
The guys hinted that what they were doing was illegal and they could get arrested for it.
Supposedly they were paying for "load" and processing a site took some time so they were charging P5,000 for each site.
I did not quite believe them so I excused ourselves out - some other time.
What do you think?

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Re: CAN SATELLITES DETECT BURIED TREASURE?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2012, 10:12:44 AM »
i believe it is not possible to detect gold deposits using google earth you are right it is taken before and is not real time, i am using google earth to but just for reference of the area what it looks like before i saw it. it is definitely a scam... 

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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2012, 12:56:41 PM »
in simple words ..for the average guy...NO !!

as to reroute a satellite is very expensive and time consuming for the owners of the satellite.
But in technology satellites have the ability to read the words in a book, see your face and various objects within buildings, like people.
however they are unable at this time to differentiate gold/treasure sites.

Satellite pics on the maps are about 2 yrs old, and get updated now and then, the only real time satellite is expensive for sure..
even a aerial picture is about 1400 pesos each, thats if they go in that area......

there yah go......

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2012, 04:06:33 PM »
janner was right it is possible to use the satellite and locate the buried treasure but expensive. but the question here is that by using google earth program is it possible to locate those loots. i believe its not possible,  because if it is, a lot of users of google earth may have unearth those treasures.

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2012, 06:13:15 PM »
you misquote me, grr I did NOT say it was possible !!!

so read it right please. "Google earth" is about 2 yrs out of date, so you need to buy the updated version,
even that will NOT show you buried treasure anywhere !! Coz it cant !!

Through various spectrum's it can " see" various metals deposits for example mining, but not a couple of gold bars...
I have used the military one and we had to wear IR strobes so it could see "Us" and differentiate between the groups of people, ie us and the enemy.

however with the new ***** satellite, this one can see you and what your doing, even in a building...so technology is getting better...
not to mention the ones we know nothing about...  ;)

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2012, 07:21:19 PM »
you misquote me, grr I did NOT say it was possible !!!

so read it right please. "Google earth" is about 2 yrs out of date, so you need to buy the updated version,
even that will NOT show you buried treasure anywhere !! Coz it cant !!

Through various spectrum's it can " see" various metals deposits for example mining, but not a couple of gold bars...
I have used the military one and we had to wear IR strobes so it could see "Us" and differentiate between the groups of people, ie us and the enemy.

however with the new ***** satellite, this one can see you and what your doing, even in a building...so technology is getting better...
not to mention the ones we know nothing about... 
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so, it is safe to assume that large deposit sites can be located/scanned through satellite
I shall have my ego when I have it

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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2012, 09:26:39 PM »
phew ... you just dont get it do you...NO you cannot use a satellite for treasure hunting.

you cant afford it.
the owners wouldnt move a satellite just for that.
has to be of interest, like a few hundred square kilometers of ore or mineral.
even oil or gas.......


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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2012, 11:48:28 PM »
Thanks for the clarification, gentlemen. Sir Janner says it is expensive at P1,400 per picture. Well, that amount is affordable and worth the gamble if it promises the slightest chance of success at recovery. I happen to know of an instance where it is possible to access the satellite but I am not at liberty to divulge  the details.
Anyway, let us just hope that one day, technology would open to us struggling treasure hunters a brighter chance of success. God bless us all!

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2012, 08:01:36 AM »
Morning guys, take heart. All is not lost yet for the dreamers like me.
Please take a look at this article which emits hope.

Satellites hunt for buried treasure
In a first for radar sensing, researchers have proved the technology can locate and identify buried objects. Their technique could be used in the hunt for archaeological artifacts smothered by sand or networks of underground buildings, or even to peer below the surface of Mars.
Scientists have long suspected that microwave radar from satellites could "see" below the surface of very dry ground. Many were startled when images from a shuttle mission in the 1980s revealed what appeared to be ancient river drainage patterns below the eastern Sahara desert. Since then there have been other intriguing finds, including ring structures buried under Antarctic ice that look like meteorite craters or the remains of sub-glacial volcanic eruptions.
But until now there has been no proof that these images really do show underground objects. Researchers were unsure how radar is affected by underground features, and no one had ever used radar sensing to detect objects they knew were there. So although the images looked convincing, it was possible that they simply showed varying soil properties or surface slopes.
Dan Blumberg and Julian Daniels of the Ben Gurion University of the Negev in Israel decided to test the idea. They buried flat squares of aluminum at different depths under the sand in the Negev desert, then flew an aircraft over the area to carry out radar sensing of the layers beneath the surface.
By comparing the radar results with the squares' known positions, the researchers showed that the patterns detected by the radar really did show the buried pieces of metal. "Now we have systematic proof," Blumberg told New Scientist. "Buried objects can be detected from airborne systems."
That suggests the satellite images show real structures, too. Blumberg says the result confirms that ancient river routes do lie hidden beneath centuries of Saharan sand. Their location ties in with that of the oases and temporary lakes around which desert peoples build their communities. "Mapping river channels buried in sandy areas can improve our understanding of the geological and climatic history of the region," says Daniels.
So far, the researchers have only looked for objects buried up to 40 centimetres deep. But now that they have proved the technique works, they are planning studies with different types of object, buried deeper.
For their experiments, they use microwaves of the longest possible wavelength, called P-band (see Graphic). At the moment, satellites generally use microwaves with shorter wavelengths because the resolution is better. But P-band radiation can penetrate farther underground, so Blumberg hopes that adding it to satellite sensors will allow them to probe deeper, perhaps up to 9 metres down.
"Using the P-band is quite new," says Andrew Wilson, a remote-sensing expert for Britain's Natural Environment Research Council. "It can penetrate the ground farther, so it would be good at revealing archaeological objects."
Blumberg hopes that as well as archaeological remains, the method will in time be used to find fossils and geological structures. There could also be military or humanitarian applications. The resolution would probably be too low to pick up individual landmines, but it could show underground buildings or pipes, or perhaps even mass graves.
The main snag is that radar can only penetrate the ground in very dry areas, because liquid water tends to absorb the radiation. But Blumberg says that 15 per cent of the Earth's surface is dry enough for the method to work, including the Antarctic and deserts. The surfaces of some planets and moons fit the bill too, he points out. He hopes P-band radar might be used to reveal structures such as water channels below the dry, frozen surface of Mars.
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UK CONTACT - Claire Bowles, New Scientist Press Office, London:
Tel: 44-207-331-2751 or email claire.bowles@rbi.co.uk
US CONTACT - Michelle Soucy, New Scientist Boston Office:
Tel: 617-558-4939 or email michelle.soucy@newscientist.com
New Scientist issue: 12th July 2003
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Re: CAN SATELLITES DETECT BURIED TREASURE?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2012, 08:07:20 AM »
The remote-sensing spectrum

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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2012, 08:24:34 AM »
Doesn't OKM sell those GPRs(Ground Penetrating Radar) in the EXP 4000 and EXP5000 Models?

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Re: CAN SATELLITES DETECT BURIED TREASURE?
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2012, 01:44:48 PM »
Thanks for the clarification, gentlemen. Sir Janner says it is expensive at P1,400 per picture. Well, that amount is affordable and worth the gamble if it promises the slightest chance of success at recovery. I happen to know of an instance 2 .where it is possible to access the satellite but I am not at liberty to divulge  the details.
Anyway, let us just hope that one day, technology would open to us struggling treasure hunters a brighter chance of success. God bless us all!
thats for a picture only, not to use the satellite !! (then it will depend on resolution to, up goes the price)
2. now that i would like to see, considering the kit required to do so... ;) a 7o cm access code for example...??

ah well dream on...... :D

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Re: CAN SATELLITES DETECT BURIED TREASURE?
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2012, 02:07:39 PM »
Morning guys, take heart. All is not lost yet for the dreamers like me.
Please take a look at this article which emits hope.

Satellites hunt for buried treasure
In a first for radar sensing, researchers have proved the technology can locate and identify buried objects. Their technique could be used in the hunt for archaeological artifacts smothered by sand or networks of underground buildings, or even to peer below the surface of Mars.
Scientists have long suspected that microwave radar from satellites could "see" below the surface of very dry ground. Many were startled when images from a shuttle mission in the 1980s revealed what appeared to be ancient river drainage patterns below the eastern Sahara desert. Since then there have been other intriguing finds, including ring structures buried under Antarctic ice that look like meteorite craters or the remains of sub-glacial volcanic eruptions.
But until now there has been no proof that these images really do show underground objects. Researchers were unsure how radar is affected by underground features, and no one had ever used radar sensing to detect objects they knew were there. So although the images looked convincing, it was possible that they simply showed varying soil properties or surface slopes.
Dan Blumberg and Julian Daniels of the Ben Gurion University of the Negev in Israel decided to test the idea. They buried flat squares of aluminum at different depths under the sand in the Negev desert, then flew an aircraft over the area to carry out radar sensing of the layers beneath the surface.
By comparing the radar results with the squares' known positions, the researchers showed that the patterns detected by the radar really did show the buried pieces of metal. "Now we have systematic proof," Blumberg told New Scientist. "Buried objects can be detected from airborne systems."
That suggests the satellite images show real structures, too. Blumberg says the result confirms that ancient river routes do lie hidden beneath centuries of Saharan sand. Their location ties in with that of the oases and temporary lakes around which desert peoples build their communities. "Mapping river channels buried in sandy areas can improve our understanding of the geological and climatic history of the region," says Daniels.
So far, the researchers have only looked for objects buried up to 40 centimetres deep. But now that they have proved the technique works, they are planning studies with different types of object, buried deeper.
For their experiments, they use microwaves of the longest possible wavelength, called P-band (see Graphic). At the moment, satellites generally use microwaves with shorter wavelengths because the resolution is better. But P-band radiation can penetrate farther underground, so Blumberg hopes that adding it to satellite sensors will allow them to probe deeper, perhaps up to 9 metres down.
"Using the P-band is quite new," says Andrew Wilson, a remote-sensing expert for Britain's Natural Environment Research Council. "It can penetrate the ground farther, so it would be good at revealing archaeological objects."
Blumberg hopes that as well as archaeological remains, the method will in time be used to find fossils and geological structures. There could also be military or humanitarian applications. The resolution would probably be too low to pick up individual landmines, but it could show underground buildings or pipes, or perhaps even mass graves.
The main snag is that radar can only penetrate the ground in very dry areas, because liquid water tends to absorb the radiation. But Blumberg says that 15 per cent of the Earth's surface is dry enough for the method to work, including the Antarctic and deserts. The surfaces of some planets and moons fit the bill too, he points out. He hopes P-band radar might be used to reveal structures such as water channels below the dry, frozen surface of Mars.
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Hazel Morris
UK CONTACT - Claire Bowles, New Scientist Press Office, London:
Tel: 44-207-331-2751 or email claire.bowles@rbi.co.uk
US CONTACT - Michelle Soucy, New Scientist Boston Office:
Tel: 617-558-4939 or email michelle.soucy@newscientist.com
New Scientist issue: 12th July 2003
PLEASE MENTION NEW SCIENTIST AS THE SOURCE OF THIS STORY AND, IF PUBLISHING ONLINE, PLEASE CARRY A HYPERLINK TO: http://www.newscientist.com
"These articles are posted on this site to give advance access to other authorised media who may wish to quote extracts as part of fair dealing with this copyrighted material. Full attribution is required, and if publishing online a link to www.newscientist.com is also required. Advance permission is required before any and every reproduction of each article in full - please contact celia.thomas@rbi.co.uk. Please note that all material is copyright of Reed Business Information Limited and we reserve the right to take such action as we consider appropriate to protect such copyright."


don't you get it sir myres, janner sir said you can't use a satellite for treasure hunting, phew
I shall have my ego when I have it

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Re: CAN SATELLITES DETECT BURIED TREASURE?
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2012, 05:11:33 PM »
Thanks for the clarification, gentlemen. Sir Janner says it is expensive at P1,400 per picture. Well, that amount is affordable and worth the gamble if it promises the slightest chance of success at recovery.I happen to know of a n instance where it is possible to access the satellite but I am not at liberty to divulge  the details.
Anyway, let us just hope that one day, technology would open to us struggling treasure hunters a brighter chance of success. God bless us all!
     Lucky you, then take advantage of it and utilize that satellite. You do not have to reveal to us the details, if the satellite imaging can lead you to that dream, great, just share us some pictures.

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2012, 06:42:06 PM »
Hu hu hu.  :(