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YAMASHITA'S / WW2 TREASURE => Treasure Marks, Signs and Symbols of the Yamashita Treasure => Topic started by: kinnoyori on August 20, 2010, 07:01:48 PM
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hello..we have found a hidden treasure site somewhere in cagayan valley..it is on a top of a cone shaped mountain..the marker is a big rock and it has a V sign on the top of it..and then after deeper digging, we found another marker which is a rock with smooth surface,according to the reference, it is the pointer..on one side of the hole, one companion try to dig horizontally and while digging, bits of rock easily fell down..and its hole is forming a triangle hole...what is it???but after the said pointer,we stopped and abandoned for years because WE CAN'T DIG THE SURFACE EVEN USING METAL BARS,BIG CHISELS AND HAMMER..EVEN OUR COMPANIONS ARE BIG PERSONS.. is this surface the so called treasure vault???and how can we break it without using liquid melting?..help us please..
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Hello Kinnoyori, welcome to the forum, what i can suggest much better you will post a photos and history of the your site as a proof so that the other member can give you advices, ideas and/or opinion in your site :) :) :), i sure they can give you a best advices :D :D :D good luck Kinnoyori :D :D :D
Raqz :D :D :D
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ma'am raquel, as of now..i can't post pctures from our site because i did not took pictures when i was in our site..and we don't know if when we will return there..
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kinnoyori sir:
V means vertical tunnel also and expect that there is a tunnel down there, hopwever, when you reached that triangle shape hole.. it means also the hidden item..however, is the hole a perfect triangle? what is its measurement in all sides, i'm asking you this because this is very vital.
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kinnoyori sir:
V means vertical tunnel also and expect that there is a tunnel down there, hopwever, when you reached that triangle shape hole.. it means also the hidden item..however, is the hole a perfect triangle? what is its measurement in all sides, i'm asking you this because this is very vital.
Jin
How sure are you that you are correct in your analysis.. Can you show to us your guidelines... par sure oi... :o :o :o very vital??? Storyaheeeeeeeeeeeeee
Not exactly the sort of reply expected....a little respect goes a long long way.....
Janner
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yes that big V is a sign of straight tunnel...my brother was the one who tried to dug the triangle hole..and he drew it to us the formation of the hole..it's like an equilateral triangle..
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commando:
Your frustrations seems endless. Well you have that so called FRUSTRATED TREASURE HUNTING SYNDROME, you know why? Because when you start diggin, you don't evaluate, you never study your hole and most of all, you expect that because you have plenty of money during those days you can force the hidden treasure to come out. WRONG! If you started the wrong way... don't include us!!! We use our head not our mouth in evaluation. And when we give our earnest advises, that is according to our experience. Hope you read the reply of the man.. V.. means tunnel.. am i wrong?
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Bro Commando,
Bro, reevaluate your approach then why you failed in your quest. As Jin said, don't spill on us the spoils you've encountered then. Try a more positive one, if you have failed then try another logical approach. Don' give up man, someday you will also succeed in doing so. As many of us here, failure did not stop us in doing so. Try to remember this, it is only a hobby not a source of income, that's why you almost lost everything bro.
Kinnoyori,
Jin is right, continue your project.
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Jin
What I am asking are your basis that V is straight tunnel. Did you find V in your dig and Found a straight tunnel? pag sure oi.. If you are not sure, please stop giving advice to anyone here. Do you have original Japanese code? Share it to us if that is true.. Storyaheeee ko..
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Ghost
How sure are you that jin is right. Pag sure pud oi ::).. Interpreting code signs and symbols is not as easy as what you are thinking. There are signs that makes you confuse and lead you to wrong directions. To tell you the truth, my failures lead me to success. Understand all the signs and symbol to find what you are looking. It is not as easy as ABCD..... It is like you study from nursery, grade school, high school and graduate in college. To tell you frankly, treasure hunting is not a hobby, it is a profession that you need to study it everyday, every second and every minute.. Answer all the puzzles and you will find the way.
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Commando,
Bro, atleast your talking it the positive way. Yes indeed your right, there are different interpretations on signs and symbols since there is no standard used by the Japs, different Generals different signs. And congrats bro that you made it and succeed. Just impart us knowledge bro how you've made it (nevermind those past failures bro). Ok, if you make it a profession that's alright with us but for me and most others here make it only a hobby for we have other works also aside from TH. Goodluck bro
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I agree with you ghost :D :D :D, Commando a TH make it a hobby not a profession, because if you make it a profession if you failed you lost everything you've got :'( :'( :'( that is an example to your sir Commando and other hunters you make is a TH as a profession ;D ;D ;D
RaQZ :) ;) :D
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Raquel
I prompted to disagree that TH is a hobby. It is by professions to make a professional treasure hunters. I agree for those who are using metal detectors, dowsing etc.. as a hobby. Code breaking is the best answer. A code is a secret hidden writings and messages. If you break it then you get it. Japanese is Japanese, German is German, American is American. It simply means, Do not apply Japanese way of hiding treasure to others. A Japanese treasures were hidden in a concealed tunnels system very deep underground. Do you think that's still a hobby? They cover their treasure safe under the mountain. Even you flattened the mountain or transfered the mountain, Still you cannot find the treasures. Very wise and nicely done by the Japanese Imperial Army Engineers.
Have you seen the documentary" Safest place on earth during world war II" It is the Japanese who made this place for their emperor. Even you destroy the mountain, the emperor is very safe underground. That is only my tip for those who are aspiring to recover Japanese treasures.
Commando
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i dont believe in code breaking..why? because 100% nobody knows how to interpret japanese treasure markers ..why? because only the people who made that truly understands it.. v is a tunnel? .. going north? five steps going east drift 3 feet etc etc etc......what happens if you widen your hole 5 times and found 10 pcs, of these V marker?..quo vadis?
another thing..coin shooting is a hobby...yamashita treasure is different. you all know that..
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well is that your choice commando, go on commando,maybe someday you will become a THrs Professor ??? ??? ???
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i dont believe in code breaking..why? because 100% nobody knows how to interpret japanese treasure markers ..why? because only the people who made that truly understands it.. v is a tunnel? .. going north? five steps going east drift 3 feet etc etc etc......what happens if you widen your hole 5 times and found 10 pcs, of these V marker?..quo vadis?
another thing..coin shooting is a hobby...yamashita treasure is different. you all know that..
Code breaking is difficult and dangerous for those who did'nt studied cryptology/ crytography. Like for example: Jin keeps on giving advices but no basis for his interpretations. What a foolish idea. Codes are group of secret messages that will lead you the way. They are like traffic signs and symbols. Once you misinterpret codes, then you are lost.. bye bye ??? ??? ???.
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well is that your choice commando, go on commando,maybe someday you will become a THrs Professor ??? ??? ???
sorry, i have no plans of becoming a THrs professor. I learned it in a hardest way, they must also learned it in a hardest way. There are mo free today
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this hunting that we all do is not a "Profession" as we dont get paid by salary, but we do get more "Professional" as we go along through experiences and practice.
our "Hobby" is done when we have time, when we can afford it and of course when we find a suitable site via research.
signs were put onto maps via a Cartographer, he was the one who knew what they meant, for later recovery(?) in the Japanese army there was 4 who did this, so for someone else to decipher them was like a puzzle game, get right and you win, wrong and "Nothing".
Most tunnels were dug by the 54th engineer company of the Japanese army, that was there job, primarily to make command posts and various stores, and of course later on to bury various war booty. They were extremely good at this task.
(Okinawa tunnels, 5 stories deep, 17 miles long, bomb proof and multiple exits and air ducts) quite impressive.
anyway this thread is very good, lots of discussions and respectful answers....keep it up guys.
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Janner
I agree with your explanations. Thanks a lot. I hope many of us here will take note of your message.
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Time to throw back the question to the source: Can you show us your finds?
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Ghost
How sure are you that jin is right. Pag sure pud oi ::).. Interpreting code signs and symbols is not as easy as what you are thinking. There are signs that makes you confuse and lead you to wrong directions. To tell you the truth, my failures lead me to success. Understand all the signs and symbol to find what you are looking. It is not as easy as ABCD..... It is like you study from nursery, grade school, high school and graduate in college. To tell you frankly, treasure hunting is not a hobby, it is a profession that you need to study it everyday, every second and every minute.. Answer all the puzzles and you will find the way.
Commando,
Reading your post here, you are always showing your negative side and even dishing out insults to people here that are trying to give advise or recommendations. Its up to the person receiving the advise or recommendation to take ,follow or disregard and it is not upon you to judge that the recommendation is wrong, you know why, because you do not know what is right and what is Crap.You stated " my failures lead me to success", yeah and what is that, A SUCCESSFUL FAILURE. You have to learn and the first lesson is, IF YOU CANNOT SAY ANYTHING GOOD, KEEP YOUR TRAP SHUT, meaning Shut the F***K up. You have not contributed a single iota of information to benefit the people here in this forum except your whining and crying about your failures, do you think we care, think again. You were questioning the RESEARCH and SEARCH awhile back, your RESEARCH was a total disaster and that was the cause of your FAILURES, nobody else fault but YOU. Nobody here can lead you direct to the treasure on a sure way but even if there was, do you think they will help you, NOPE, that is my guess. Talking about SEARCH, I suggest you search for other pastures and I will tell you this, you would still fail as you are a born failure. I can't be more straightforward than that, after all that is how you prefer it, your words. What goes around comes around, if you can understand that. ??? ::) ;D
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Ok bro commando, as you have said, if you have mastered deciphering those signs and symbols, then you can help us here give opinions on whatever fellow members post for help. Yes, in real world nothing now is free but if you want to help good for us all (or PM the one needing help for your terms and conditions). Just being neutral here bro, everyone here has their own failures but did not stop in doing our "hobby".
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Ok bro commando, as you have said, if you have mastered deciphering those signs and symbols, then you can help us here give opinions on whatever fellow members post for help. Yes, in real world nothing now is free but if you want to help good for us all (or PM the one needing help for your terms and conditions). Just being neutral here bro, everyone here has their own failures but did not stop in doing our "hobby".
I am not here to teach you on how to decipher signs and symbols. I am here to correct all those who are giving false advices. I know who are right and who are wrong.
If I were you, take the advices of Janner. That's the right thing to do.
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I am here to correct all those who are giving false advices. I know who are right and who are wrong.
What is then your basis in correcting those advices? One failure and one success does not qualify and makes you a master in knowing what is false and what right.
It take lots and lots of failure to know why you failed;
a couple of success to realize how you made it; and
in the end, lots of "learning" to understand the difference.
Almost everything you post here imparts negative connotation. Sad to say, you are still living in the shadows your failure...
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this forum exist more than 1 year if i'm not wrong, lots of topics discussed about th, lots of brilliant forumers involved but until now no successful procedures discussed about how to retrieve these japanese loots maybe because pride always on top of the mind of every forumers. nobody wants to be humble. everybody wants to be recognized. please observe other th forums specially white treasure hunter they discussed on topics not on personal issues. guys are you not tired reading all this arguments and discussions? did this debate help you improve your skills in successful recoveries???
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The answer is a soundling YES... It even binded us unconsciously (for a time being) towards one belief, I presume almost all, except for 3 persons...
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this forum exist more than 1 year if i'm not wrong, lots of topics discussed about th, lots of brilliant forumers involved but until now no successful procedures discussed about how to retrieve these japanese loots maybe because pride always on top of the mind of every forumers. nobody wants to be humble. everybody wants to be recognized. please observe other th forums specially white treasure hunter they discussed on topics not on personal issues. guys are you not tired reading all this arguments and discussions? did this debate help you improve your skills in successful recoveries???
This commonly known as "conflict of opinions and characters" even on the street you will meet this, however, here the moderators try to keep it to a minimum and weed out those that just "Inflame" threads with no purpose other than to annoy members.
Members dont very often post how they find anything, as its like a conflict of interest,tell every one how, and they do it to. So, they give snippets of advice, some more and others less.
Arguments are hard to stop, as one post can start one and then the thread all goes to hell. But we try to keep it smooth and to the topic or point. Its a hard thankless job, but fun watching from the sidelines...
so, a little patience is required. All sites like this are the same, some even worse, but we like to think that ours is the best, more lenient and friendly.
It is rare that anyone gets banned here, unlike the other sites, but you will get monitored for sure!
anyway long winded but the point is there,,,,,,have a good weekend
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Goldi,
I agree with sir Janner, members just give a little of it and you will do the rest. If your following this forum for more than 1 year you said, you should have read between the lines long ago. There are no clear procedures, for different site have its own different approach, different operators have their own different views. If your not yet convince, try to read sir Janner's CSI approach for a change. Maybe you can get an idea on it for your own project.
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Ghost:
Exactly right. different approach is the name of the game. We have the so-called long and short method. We also have fix marker and continuing marker..
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Wright Jin, the Japs are clever enough to not find their hidden treasure in just a blink of an eye. Work for it for they have left codes, markers, signs for someone/or them itself (if they are still alive or relatives with map) to find it in the future. ;D
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Wright Jin, the Japs are clever enough to not find their hidden treasure in just a blink of an eye. Work for it for they have left codes, markers, signs for someone/or them itself (if they are still alive or relatives with map) to find it in the future. ;D
yah you are right ghost that's why lot of readers came out. all man made carvings considered as japanese markers of their buried loots. all man made carvings has his own meaning interpreted by code breakers but when you dig, the gold has gone only thousands of expenses in digging can be counted.
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Goldi,
What do you mean gold is gone ??? That' why you should investigate first if someone has gone ahead of you so as not to loss thousand of pesos in the dig. Or better use equipments suitable for your hunting so as not to dig useless holes and incure huge expenses. ;)
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Ghost,
You are right.. when one thunter starts digging, prior to that, he/she already knows whether the site had been touched by other group or not most especially private lots or locations.
It is imperative that an exploration in a particular site should come first before the actual digging. In this method, you will avoid unnecessary expenses. Use all the possible ways to investigate the authenticity of your site first. Never, ever get the services of a medium coz they know nothing about this hobby of ours. Moreoften than not, it is our pocket that is their target.
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jin just a question, it is well documented that ferdinand marcos use the services of sweedish psychic olof johnson to help locate war booty's back in the seventees in various treasure sites, and again olof was called by the aquino government in the eightees to locate again, this time with charles mc dougald in bonifacio project and in fort santiago. now are you saying that this is a wrong move? because from what you stated you said ''never ever get services from a medium.''
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Wiseman,
Normally I don't believe in those so-called THIRD-EYE mediums but.. in the case of Olof Johnson - he had proven himself during the Marcos expeditions so in that case why not call this guy back in to assist?
Just my two cents!
TW
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that's a great idea Admin, but i think olof passed away already..another fact is he also helped Mel fisher find the ruins of nuestra aeniora de atocha.
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One of many outrageous psychic accomplishments Jönsson claimed was helping adventurer Mel Fisher to find a Spanish galleon with $300,000 (or sometimes $140million) worth of gold in July 1974. The site of the wreck was outside Florida Keys and Jönsson was allegedly able to direct the search team to the spot were the treasure was found (Semitjov, 1979). But no one at Fisher's company - it is still in business, or at the Mel Fisher Maritime Museum, has any recollection of any such assistance or knowledge of a man by the name of "Olof Jönsson" - and some of the people now (or when I contacted them a couple of years ago) working for the company did so back in 1974. In fact, no galleon was even found that year, no major discoveries at all were made. The famous gold treasure and pieces of a ship found in 1985 was the result of a long-time search effort with findings of scattered pieces preceeding it. And Olof Jönsson had nothing to do with it, although he may have claimed that too.
The stories about Jönsson led Philippino president Ferdinand Marcos, a certified woo-woo with psychic aspirations of his own, to hire the Swede for a World War II treasure hunt, the gold cargo of a sunken Japanese heavy cruiser, the Nachi. Jönsson's reward, if he found anything, was to be more than generous. This time, Jönsson was sort of lucky. The location was already marked on a map. When a first dive failed, Jönsson insisted that they should try some hundred yards away. Ka-ching, there was the Nachi! Jönsson had actually found war loot using his psychic powers! And a map marked with the location of the wreck... (Seagrave & Seagrave, 2003) On the picture below, Jönsson meets with Marcos.
In closing, perhaps Olof Jönsson's obituary in the Chicago Tribune may serve as a proper summary of his life as a psychic. I quote:
Yet Mr. Jonsson did establish an international reputation as a psychic as a young man growing up in his native Sweden. After a small town in Sweden had a series of bizarre murders in which 12 women were brutally slain, police authorities contacted Mr. Jonsson, who had a detailed vision of the crimes and the murderer. After Mr. Jonsson identified the suspect as a young policeman, the officer confessed the crimes in a suicide note. Mr. Jonsson later told the Tribune that the situation disturbed and depressed him, and he swore to never again get involved in solving violent crimes. (McSherry Breslin, 1998)
Remember Jönsson's complete failure in finding the Hurva murderer, police man Tore Hedin? Well, in the US, Jönsson converted that to a success. He didn't even bother to keep track of essential details, such as the number or gender of the victims, or the fact that Hedin only had slain one person at the time when Jönsson was involved in the investigation. He sometimes counted the victims to thirteen, and claimed that Hedin made a note in his suicide letter that it only was a matter of time until Jönsson would identify him (Semitjov, 1979). No journalist ever bothered to check Jönsson's stories...
Olof Jönsson was a simple trickster, with an amazing career. Next to Uri Geller, he may very well be the swindler that managed to cheat the largest number of parapsychologists ever. Then again, anyone can call him- or herself a parapsychologist. And if you take an interest in these matters called "paranormal", you will soon find that anyone does.
more reading here....
http://garvarn.blogspot.com/2008/07/olof-jonsson-swedish-swindler.html