The Southeast Asian Treasure Connection
SEA Finds Board => What is it? => Topic started by: joe on July 02, 2010, 06:42:21 PM
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1088 pcs inside cement vault,recover by a friend of mine ???
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good fine. needs prodessing though.
may we know the vault measurements?
thanks
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Joe, was the information came from 'words of mouth' or from actual view?
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Joe, go ahead and crack the stone and tell us what is inside. ;)
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1088 pcs. you mean inside the vault you find that kind of stone? have you find any g - - d bars inside the vault?
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are you sure joe that it is a vault, maybe just like a vault but not really a vault... ??? just verify your friend, if it is really a vault or else get some photos and post it here so that our fellow members here can give you some advice/opinion good luck... :)
Raqz ;)
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Joe,
Just try to break one pc of it then check if there's something inside. ::)
Thanks,
Elyong
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Joe,
try this,,,,if it is really inside a cement vault, why would they put it there, there are only 2 reason, one-there is something inside those stones,,,,two-those are dummy loads...(panggulo lang....)
for number one.... grind one stone in a very fine powder.....put mercury and pigain using umbrella cloth...(dont know the english word for "pigain" sorry), then fire it to melt and solidify, hope it turns yellow for gold.....use nitric acid for gold testing.....then test to pawnshop if its really gold...
Peace!
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BFGates is right on that point.
the right word for "pigain" is squeeze.
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Pigain in English is WRING, meaning twist and squeeze to remove liquid as on wet clothes.
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by merely looking at the alleged stone, ( and i believe those stone are fabricated, man made bonded with cement), that could be hidding something....i can see some yellowish composition and that is a good sign.... but final testing is absolutely necessary....
just like the controversial "liquid gold" ............. that is another way of hiding your loot
if the stone turns to be positive with gold.... i think this is what they did....
first method - the easiest way
grind the solid gold to a powdery form then... mixed with cement,small gravel and create some naturally looking stone)
second method - the hard way
1. solid gold are melted with aqua regia....
2. nutralized the nitric acid with, like urea....then..
3. precipated the solution with some gold dropper, like sodium metabisulfite.....this drops the gold to the bottom of the sulution to become solid/powder...dried...and
4. mixed with stone and cement and fabricate a naturally looking stone...... :D
to revert back the method....see my first post....
joe,,,examine closely the stone with magnifying glass....if you can see some yellow luster,,,,,thats is good sign
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guys,
i didnt realize that this topic was posted more than a year ago.... i hope joe's friend still have the stones....
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filtering gold from amalgam....pigain...i think its twist and turn...then squeeze.... ;D
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Pigain in English is WRING, meaning twist and squeeze to remove liquid as on wet clothes.
i agree. an example: "squeeze hers but don't wring" ;D
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by merely looking at the alleged stone, ( and i believe those stone are fabricated, man made bonded with cement), that could be hidding something....i can see some yellowish composition and that is a good sign.... but final testing is absolutely necessary....
just like the controversial "liquid gold" ............. that is another way of hiding your loot
if the stone turns to be positive with gold.... i think this is what they did....
first method - the easiest way
grind the solid gold to a powdery form then... mixed with cement,small gravel and create some naturally looking stone)
second method - the hard way
1. solid gold are melted with aqua regia....
2. nutralized the nitric acid with, like urea....then..
3. precipated the solution with some gold dropper, like sodium metabisulfite.....this drops the gold to the bottom of the sulution to become solid/powder...dried...and
4. mixed with stone and cement and fabricate a naturally looking stone...... :D
to revert back the method....see my first post....
joe,,,examine closely the stone with magnifying glass....if you can see some yellow luster,,,,,thats is good sign
Japanese concealment from aqua regia has never been precipitated. They just neutralized the acid and mix with cement. You cannot see any traces of gold paticles. Amalgamation is imposible to recover gold from the said sample. The best way is to reverse the aqua regia. Don't forger about reverse engineering method of Japanese secret
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bro.northstar,
correct me if im wrong.....
if you did not precipitate the aqua regia with gold in it, then when you mixed it with cement and dried, the gold itself will evaporate and be gone unrecoverable, since it is in the liquid state?.....
i think lets open a new topic on, say... GOLD REFINING AND HOW TO CONCEAL GOLD COVERTLY???
what you think people....
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bro.northstar,
i think lets open a new topic on, say... GOLD REFINING AND HOW TO CONCEAL GOLD COVERTLY???
what you think people....
About time as this subject of aqua regia is just going around in circles and that is just another theory of NS. The Japanese will never go to that long process of extracting the gold from aqua regia and there was never any Rumor or Proof that the Japanese used aqua regia, just a figment of the imagination. What are they gonna do, smuggle those suspected concrete stones suspected of having gold liquified by aqua regia back to Japan and process it there, be real. Here is the process used by Large Scale Gold Refining Companies and see if it is feasible and I do not care if it is a Japanese Secret, read on. http://shorinternational.com/RefinAcidinstr.htm (http://shorinternational.com/RefinAcidinstr.htm)
Persistent cuss and keeps going back to his theory which he can never prove that it is a well kept Japanese Secret and his Reverse Engineering on the subject, and on other topics at that. Waste of my time, just talking for myself. If you ask me, the Japanese has already done a wonderful job with their concealment method and nobody here will contradict me on that statement, I suppose.
I'd say, Time to Move On on more Informative and Believable Topics as I have had enough of these theories.It is possible that some friends, acquaintances or members that has faith on NS will disagree but that is their choice and hopefully they can make a recovery with the aid of his theories, Isometrics, South Pointing Compass, Aqua Regia, Hmmp, did I miss anything? I seem to have a problem with my Attitude when it comes to theories that came way out from Space, ::)Xinh Loi and that is "Sorry" in Vietnamese.
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t_hunter,
sorry to make you uncomfortable on my postings....
i can say,,,that when we make a recovery of a treasure,,, we can hide it this way, using aqua regia, or covert stone or figurine made of cement and gold powder..... in that way we can make it safe and nobody will notice...
i donot intend to offend anybody, just sharing ideas, that is why we are in the forum...open opinions....and please respect our opinions...
as i have said before...
in the internet, you can be an instant fool or an instant genius....
Peace to all!
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t_hunter,
sorry to make you uncomfortable on my postings....
i can say,,,that when we make a recovery of a treasure,,, we can hide it this way, using aqua regia, or covert stone or figurine made of cement and gold powder..... in that way we can make it safe and nobody will notice...
i donot intend to offend anybody, just sharing ideas, that is why we are in the forum...open opinions....and please respect our opinions...
as i have said before...
in the internet, you can be an instant fool or an instant genius....
Peace to all!
I did not get it. What made you think your posting made me uncomfortable or got offended, not one bit. It wasn't your idea about liquifying gold by aqua regia by the Japanese, it was NS. There was not one bit of evidence that Aqua Regia was used by the Japanese, nor even a rumor to that effect or do you know something that we do not know about on that subject. I usually respect opinions or beliefs from other members but farfetched opinions that is not logical or does not stand to reason is something I cannot readily accept and I voice it out. As a matter of fact I was being agreeable with opening a new topic, your suggestion. Please read my post again.
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copy sir!
shoreintenational uses some of their own version/brand of chemicals in refining, i may say, the one i mentioned before are generic chemicals....
just like in medicine, there are generics and non-generics but do cure either..... and i prefer the generic ones for they are cheaper of course....
its nice to know how the gold is processed, since we are treasure hunter here, i think it much advantageous on our part the we know something
about refining of gold.....of their characteristics
for example, long we have been seeing, gold bar stamped with 4 nines.....saying that they are ww2 era.... but upon research in the internet
for ww2 gold bar stamped with 4 nines are faked/fabricated/(or genuine post ww2 reproduction of real gold) stupidly, but still there are lots of us being fooled by this scammers..... refining to 4 nines comes after ww2 era...(dont know exactly when)....as Tony Wells emphasized on the sample gold bar in this site..... its 4nines and its real gold, but a reproduction only after ww2........
then when i tried small scale mining,,,, i been much more interested in refining and tried it myself.... i begun/started by recycling some computer parts
for gold and i may say its exciting to try this... i extracted a point gram of gold from a few cpus and memory cards.... and when its done using aqua regia, surely its 4 nines pure.....
(this posting is open for correction)
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bf gates...powder metallurgy, the germans mostly has 240+ of this patented during ww2 i hope this can help you investigate
http://www.archive.org/stream/treatiseonpowder030301mbp/treatiseonpowder030301mbp_djvu.txt (http://www.archive.org/stream/treatiseonpowder030301mbp/treatiseonpowder030301mbp_djvu.txt)
and there is this clay gold/ silver from mitsubishi japan, but it said thar it was only developed in the early ninetees... but who knows ?
http://www.silverclay.com/rumpelstiltskin.htmlPrecious (http://www.silverclay.com/rumpelstiltskin.htmlPrecious) Metal Clay ( PMC )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_clay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_clay)
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goldbar 888,
powder metallurgy, by name itself is self-explanatory (hope im not wrong).... though i didnt read all the articles given link,,,,, i believe all this chemical have been here long ago....
thanks for all the link,,,
i think i will open a topic...new topic like...Powder Metallugy, covert way of concealing you recovered precious metal- to prevent it from snatching.... ;)
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bf gates,
i personaly dont believe that the japanese concealed ( disguised ) the gold and platinum in an advance technology way..
but that was all change when i personaly myself investigated and expiremented about the matter and cost me my health.. no problem on that i already recovered...just be extra carefull acids can kill... i hope my marker here that was found inside a chamber full of .... explains it all....
no offense to non believer's just giving a liitle bit i got...
its a never ending learning process....
peace to all
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goldbar 888,
had the japanese did this concealment method?, i dont know but its a possibility, but we can hide our own loot to protect it from invaders....
yes..... before you experiment with this acid, especially nitric and hydrochloric acid... learn its character first.... when you have mixed and nitric and
hydrochloric as aqua regia, dont stopper it, it builds pressure....and when you put some metal on aqua regia, dont enhale its fumes...its toxic...
research first....
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Trivia on Hydrochloric Acid, How potent it is? Attached just a stick of Dynamite (full stick) in a galon of Hydrochloric acid plus ... for maximum effect, light it and run as fast as you can. You will be able to see the massive conflagration it will cause, if you will still be alive to describe it. :D
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yes dindo, i learned my lesson now.. don't try to deal with acids without proper guidance..you might heard this before...but it's very true ,until i experience it like someone choking you a thousand times...and it has a very long after effect,
and yes the japanese had some clever way of disguising some of their loot..i know it first hand with the help of some experts in intertek...
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Secure your safety first before anything else... :)
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Trivia on Hydrochloric Acid, How potent it is? Attached just a stick of Dynamite (full stick) in a gallon of Hydrochloric acid plus ... for maximum effect, light it and run as fast as you can. You will be able to see the massive conflagration it will cause, if you will still be alive to describe it. :D
Now that is one I have not tried. Give me a couple of weeks though.
I have seen mercury stacked with a depth charge and with a land mine. That was in Zamboanga.
Z
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Your going to make a bomb...??? ::)
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If you have to try that one, use a lesser quantity, a half stick, a liter of hydro and a bag of fer... (ammo...nit...). See the rolling great balls of fire. Be reminded to take precautionary measures.
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Hello there. I don't get it. What are the 1088 pcs inside the cement vault? Are they unrefined gold nuggets or what?