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Tech Talk, Searching Techniques. Dowsing, Paranormal, etc. => Paranormal Experience on Treasure Hunts => Topic started by: jso1819 on April 04, 2011, 01:05:48 AM
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In your opinion, can the spirit move the treasure or object underground? There are many tales that the spirit who guard the treasure of yamasita move the object especially when you are near to it.
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I my opinion thats is impossible, maybe the spirit you said will do unusual things that may lead to scare you .. and if thats happened of course you will not continue to do your operation ..
this is just my simple opinion ...
jerzx
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Yea, I agree with Jerzx.
TW
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A BIG NO, NO AND NO... IF IT HAS MOVED, THE DESIGN OF THE BURIAL OF OBJECT IS A SLIDING ONE...AND YOU NEED A VERY STONG FORCE TO MOVE IT, PHYSICAL FORCE THAT IS AND NOT THE SPIRITS.
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Treasure move by spirits???? NO!!! but spirits to fool and control your mind and body...YES!!!....to fight earthly and loose spirits your must be spiritually prepared and must have the necessary prayers and lets say in pinoy culture "ORASYON"
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I am not superstitious to believe any of this....
never seen, heard or come across any of this..!!
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Ive have a first hand experience of how block of cement vanished. It just so simple, it went down to the next shaft or below.Well Janner it alright if your don't believe ...In reality Spirit cannot move treasure or object burried underground..
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well nope cant say that i do believe in this,
been around the world a few times and never seen anything close to this.
anywhere...then again i am not a religious person or superstitious.....
but .......still waiting...
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for me i believed in Spirit, but i'm not believed that the spirit can move things especially buried thing.. in my opinion the diggers are passed in hard way to get that buried things using any gadgets or materials for digging... i mean difficulty... how much more the spirit... just my opinion guy's
Raqz ;)
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Yes that can happen that a block of cement could vanish, transfer or slide for that matter even though i dont have first hand experience of this sort, but i believe on this one however because as per information from a reliable source, there is really a burial design that is, the concrete block containing the object would slide or move to another chamber if subjected to a great physical force (really an ingenius design of those Japanese mining engineers).
This i believe is the reason when a certain treasure hunter/s experience witnessing this so called "vanishment", they immidiately attribute it to the spirits or something but unknown to them that it is really designed to slide if one mistakenly disturb it.
And this another reason also why so much belief on the supernaturals could lead to quarrels within the group because the believer would often accuse or blame the non-believer that the spirits got angry because there's one within the group that doesnt believe or disobeys rules set by quacks.
So in this line of reasoning, i prefer to be in the group of rational, thinking, pondering educated people...
In my 42 years of life, due to curiosity if there is really this spirits or supernatural sort of things,
i often used to go out in the pit darkness of night wherever i got chance in haunted places, in the barrios and tried to communicate with those "spirits", to come out and let me see them,,.. but up until lately none of any of those spirits surfaced infront to me.
Up until i cant witness any, up until i can explain things scientifically, i will not believe in supernaturals.
Dont fear the spirits but fear the living (wag matakot sa patay pero matakot ka sa buhay)
Fear really, is the fear borne of the unknown.
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thanks to all...
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jso1819,
This is my simple analysis and I'm not saying this is true and not proven by my experience, the purpose if this is to give you an idea.
I remember when I watching TV regarding the interview of 1 lady that suffered in her life because the spirit want to marry her and she bring by the spirit in his world to see the treasure awaiting to her when she accepted the proposal of the spirit. Therefor the other entities have own treasure thats why I always heard a story in the different town where the topic of conversation is treasure they always said that someone encountered that he/she saw the treasure and the spirit want to give it but everytime he/she get this thing suddenly disappear. So the spirit have a power to disappear his/her treasure but the treasure burried by the human cannot move by the spirit but they can do a things that can delay your operation until such time you can giveup and you will never get the treasure. This is my analysis and someone can ignore this.
And friendly reminder for us please everybody who found a real Japanese/Spanish treasure sign please don't break it or move it because if you cannot get the treasure please don't remove the opportunity of the others to get it unless the treasure sign is identify fake. Salamat po.
vourvon
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Dont fear the spirits but fear the living
A matter in dealing with the guardians, can you trust them with what they tell / instruct?
But the real point is...Does the guardians trust you as digger?
Remember this...in the underworld, there is a rule that says..."NEVER TRUST THE LIVING"
How did I know? I had a close encounter with a guardian.. it took sometime to get a concrete answer from her. and even warned me to be very very careful in opening my mouth on the sites of others.
Also watch the movie "Beetlejuice". There are "some" truth in it.
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Can the spirit or unseen entities move the treasure or object, ::), for the unbelievers, its not possible and I was one of those until it happened to me, not just once, 3 times. I cited an experience on that subject that I experienced and you can read it at the original topic of Paranormal Experience on Treasure Hunts. There was some good exchange or sharing of their experience on the topic until it got cluttered or messed up by an unbeliever so the topic was locked and another, on the same lines, was opened or started but there is some good postings there that might ring a bell.
By the way, people tend to use the word SPIRIT for all unseen entities, that is not so. Only people has spirit, other entities does not have spirit, it is in the Bible but I do not want to go through that again, do your own reading and I believe I said the same thing on the original topic. For those that have an inquisitive mind, may I suggest you read the original topic and of course navigate away from the BS, just skip through it.
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I do agree with DB and TH44 regarding site guardians. DB explained the golden rule of the UNDERWORLD and for Th44's explanation of the unseen entities, it's not only the SPIRIT but also other earthly unexplained entities that belongs to the paranormal side.
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I do agree with DB and TH44 regarding site guardians. DB explained the golden rule of the UNDERWORLD and for Th44's explanation of the unseen entities, it's not only the SPIRIT but also other earthly unexplained entities that belongs to the paranormal side.
I do agree with that:
What had happened to one of the site here in our place is unexplainable. A millionaire financier hire an expert hunters in one of the positive spot in Negros. THey have the Map, hi-tech gadget, and the testimony of the oldies who were born in the past. When they scan the specific area they have indicated the perfect target. Its deepness, the items buried, the files of boxes, volume, the file of boxes shown in the screen of a highly advanced gadget. As what the owner of the lot told to my friend in T-H , that the exact target is only 20 ft deep.. But when they reach that deepness no items were found. THen they scan again that exact spot.. No more load appear in the screen. THen they transfer again to another spot within the same area/lot then they have found again the same target with the same load and deepness. Again when they dig this spot and reach the deepness its a nega again. They did it again & again in the same lot. To make the long story short the financier surrenders.One day an old man with very long hair looks like an ermitanyo as what they claim speak to one of the diggers: DI NILA MAKUKUHA YUN MAUUBOS LANG ANG PERA NILA. Only people with clean heart can get that. Then that old man just disappear. It's up to us if we believe it or not. BUt there are things in this world which is beyond the scope of science. Regarding elementals and spirits, they really exist not in my friends or other peoplle experienced but in my families experience and in my own experience.
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I do agree with DB and TH44 regarding site guardians. DB explained the golden rule of the UNDERWORLD and for Th44's explanation of the unseen entities, it's not only the SPIRIT but also other earthly unexplained entities that belongs to the paranormal side.
I do agree with that:
What had happened to one of the site here in our place is unexplainable. A millionaire financier hire an expert hunters in one of the positive spot in Negros. THey have the Map, hi-tech gadget, and the testimony of the oldies who were born in the past. When they scan the specific area they have indicated the perfect target. Its deepness, the items buried, the files of boxes, volume, the file of boxes shown in the screen of a highly advanced gadget. As what the owner of the lot told to my friend in T-H , that the exact target is only 20 ft deep.. But when they reach that deepness no items were found. THen they scan again that exact spot.. No more load appear in the screen. THen they transfer again to another spot within the same area/lot then they have found again the same target with the same load and deepness. Again when they dig this spot and reach the deepness its a nega again. They did it again & again in the same lot. To make the long story short the financier surrenders.One day an old man with very long hair looks like an ermitanyo as what they claim speak to one of the diggers: DI NILA MAKUKUHA YUN MAUUBOS LANG ANG PERA NILA. Only people with clean heart can get that. Then that old man just disappear. It's up to us if we believe it or not. BUt there are things in this world which is beyond the scope of science. Regarding elementals and spirits, they really exist not in my friends or other peoplle experienced but in my families experience and in my own experience.
the old man appears like a hermits and said,theyre just draining out their wealth,but only those clean hearted people could get it.
but what about those marcos diggers who appeared before the court,they said in their testimony,that after they retrieved the tons of gold Marcos allegedly told them in Tagalog: You will all share in everything that's here but you have to wait for the right time.
marcos wasn't sincere on what he said.it was all a lie and there's nothing pure and clean hear in him.
...so why marcos has manage to have all those treasures with unclean heart?
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sorry i made clerical errors but dont know how to edit them...
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I believe that marcos dont even know or dont have knowledge that those gold recoveries are actually to be shared with some people as he may think that its "A NATIONAL TREASURE" or the people whom he trusted to give shares to the people actually pocketed that amount supposed to be for them...Marcos maybe crook but i dont think he even knows those people worked hard on the recovery...The person whom he trusted to deal with this people should be skinned!!!! and not everything blamed on Marcos....He is a very busy man and we knew that all...
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am just trying to expound something on the topic we had based on the testimonies of marcos diggers.
not blaming all to marcos,yes but on particular phrase as he say to give shares to the diggers,am sure he wasn't honest to say those words.simply because he didnt comply on what he said.thats the reason why those diggers came out simply to claim what is for them.
yes marcos was a very busy man,but i know when it comes to treasure hunting he give so much attention with this.
but anyway,what i am trying to emphasize is all about clean hearted man-which is not the basis that the treasures must be given.
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In this world has a lot of supernatural thing, even the whole universe there's so many thing unexplainable in science not today but maybe in future has it. Just like me i have some experience in my early age time that there is supernatural being everytime ive heard stories like this i always remember my own experience so why not believe this because you havent got a chance to experience it sorry but its true.
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Spirits they belongs to the spirits world but they have access to the to the living world vice versa and spirits has no power to material things in the living world but only we the living one has the power of it to bring the treasure under the sun.If you remember the Bible says God give the power of all things in this world to Man but not to spirits.
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Yes, there are spirits that guard and protect treasures and they can move them also when you get close. But how you may wander can a spirit move a physical object? They move the essence. Move the essence and you move the object. For everything physical exist a spiritual essence of it, there's a cause and there's the effect and what we see in our physical world are only effects.
In the middle East they call it a Rassid. It's a spirit of nature that through special words is ordered to protect a treasure. And who to call to break this rassid protection is a very spiritual person called a"Sheikh".