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YAMASHITA'S / WW2 TREASURE => NORTHSTAR'S ISOMETRIC MAP THEORY => Topic started by: NORTHSTAR on June 04, 2011, 07:59:05 PM

Title: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 04, 2011, 07:59:05 PM
This is my original World War II Japanese Compass. This was found inside the Jar with some valuable items. This compass is a reversed compass. The north is pointing at south while east is pointing at west and vice versa.. Maybe this what other treasure hunting were saying about reversed engineering because real north was reversed to south. Take a look at this compass
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 04, 2011, 08:06:28 PM
another pic
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 04, 2011, 08:18:59 PM
To all YTH

Why did the Japanese reversed their compass? What can you say about that?
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: admin on June 04, 2011, 10:16:58 PM
This is my original World War II Japanese Compass. This was found inside the Jar with some valuable items. This compass is a reversed compass. The north is pointing at south while east is pointing at west and vice versa.. Maybe this what other treasure hunting were saying about reversed engineering because real north was reversed to south. Take a look at this compass

Excuse me but that doesn't look reversed to me. It seems that you've just got them facing OPPOSITE directions. That's all. Do we look stupid to you or what, Mr. NS?
Why don't you turn them both facing the SAME direction and then take your new photos for us to compare with?
TW
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 05, 2011, 02:15:40 AM
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Maybe this what other treasure hunting were saying about reversed engineering because real north was reversed to south.

That is not a reverse engineering because reverse engineering is a PROCESS OF ANALYZING...

That compass is just reversed in the marker pointer. Ask your self, is the other half of the pointer still pointing to the North? Definitely it is. Then the maker of the compass just designed it to mark where is the south, but still the other half still point to the North.
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 05, 2011, 02:19:55 AM
It would have made me wonder IF that compass points to the East or West. But then again maybe not, if such compass point to the east or west, then that compass is broken or unreliable or unserviceable. :D :D :D ;D
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: t_hunter44 on June 05, 2011, 04:50:37 AM
WW 11 Japanese Military Compass, take a look at the Link, in Japanese  ;D >:( :o ::)
          http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/14161-military-japanese-compass-wwii--world-w (http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/14161-military-japanese-compass-wwii--world-w)
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: t_hunter44 on June 05, 2011, 06:21:03 AM
 ;D  Even if the compass is made in Japan, that does not necessarily mean it was a standard issue for the Japanese Military. 50 years from now,when someone finds a Seiko Watch in the boondocks,  do not jump to the conclusion that it was worn by a Japanese
because the product is made in Japan. That compass that was made in Japan is probably sold all over the world because the price is cheap. Does the needle still work freely or was it stuck pointing south. Be surprised if it still works after all these time that it was exposed to the elements but can we expect an honest answer, does not expect to, from my side. It really does not make sense even if it was used by a Japanese soldier, unless he is trying to lose himself but whatever, someone is just trying to throw a monkey wrench, on what, whatever !
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 05, 2011, 10:50:47 AM
There is a second opinion on it. my opinion at that. It is called the pouring of Anti-Colonialist sentiments and the establishment of its own identity.

Just something to think:

Why did Japan adopted the Metric System in 1924, instead of the English system, despite of all the presence, friendship, and introduction of "modern" technology by the western world there?

What is the history of the Japanese light machineguns, why is the magasine being placed on top of the barrel and not on the side or the bottom? And the above (IF true); why was the marking pointer "painted" to the South and not to the North?

I am no anti-colonialist but rather, I grew up with all the history books of my parents and I read between the lines.

Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: t_hunter44 on June 05, 2011, 11:54:01 AM
      Looking at the Degrees on the Compass Dial, the degree indications is still in the right place, from N, the degree graduation still is increasing clockwise, that means the Needle is stuck in the 180 degree position which is South/ Maybe NS thought we cannot see it or think we are dumb and maybe he thinks he can fool us, maybe Once in a while but Not all the time and he has not succeeded yet. Keep trying though and does NS mean Northstar or NonSensical. ::)
      NS, your Isometric Theory is crap, so is your Reverse Engineering, oh, better look up what really is Reverse Engineering before you start using terms that you have no idea what it means, so, what is next? I can't say I am sorry for being hard on you but with me, I cannot stand the BS.
       
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: Elyong on June 05, 2011, 12:20:56 PM

NS,

What ever it is, where ever that pointer faced to South or North, the bottom line is that It cannot help you find a treasure... ;D

Regards,
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: Janner on June 05, 2011, 02:00:35 PM
As i said in a previous post..."Gone Fishing"..
seems like some one took the bait..?

Ok, Firstly i am amazed as to how this "person" is still allowed to post here, after all it is all utter nonsense and garbage. You may say "Freedom of speech" and "dont read it if you dont like" scenario, but its down to a more serious scenario..
The "Insulting of members Intelligence". He may think that the members are fool enough to believe what he is posting here, well they are not, especially me!

The compass you posted is a "US Sighting compass" issued to most US Military, and you can even buy local copies in Manila to, as the one you posted there...
The "Original Compasses" made in Japan at the time of WWII were made by a company called "Seikosha", or commonly known today as "Seiko" !!.

so, the outer ring (Bezel) of the compass can be rotated and this is so you can orientate the map and compass to the land for accurate navigation...and you have rotated the bezel to lead us to believe its "Reverse Engineering" ! This is utter "Fabrication and a total Falsehood".!!

I have posted a pic so member can see the truth and "reject" your (can i say Lies?)
So now what happens? He gets "Reprimanded in the severest degree"?  "Suspended for a period"? or just "let off with a mild comment"?  well thats not for me to say.......

This is of course is my opinion, but backed up with facts and pics, which anyone can google.

post a pic of the back of your compass If you dare !!!

Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: t_hunter44 on June 05, 2011, 03:16:13 PM
     And the BLACK LINE that is shown pointed SOUTH is actually a line Incorporated on the Lens Cover and when you rotate the Bezel, that Black Line rotates with the Lens cover which tells you the deviation in degrees. NS is surely very Deceiving, trying to make us Fools. Now, who is the fool, Us or NS ?
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: admin on June 05, 2011, 03:48:27 PM
So, what can you say now, NS? As you can clearly see, members here have called your bluff several times and they are getting pretty fed up with some of the nonsense you're posting here. I've tried to be diplomatic and also give you the 'benefit of the doubt' on numerous occassions but if what Janner is saying about this compass is true then I'm sorry, I can no longer sit back and allow you to try and insult everyone's intelligence any longer with ridiculous posts such as this.

The ball is in your court now so please respond back ASAP.

Don't get me wrong - you're always welcome to post - but just make sure its not anymore nonsense please.

Thank you very much

TW
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 05, 2011, 06:24:16 PM
Dismantling compass. This compass works very well. It is not stuck in 180 degrees. Take a look again.. It is really reversed.. Not trick or magic on it..
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 05, 2011, 06:40:24 PM
This is my original World War II Japanese Compass. This was found inside the Jar with some valuable items. This compass is a reversed compass. The north is pointing at south while east is pointing at west and vice versa.. Maybe this what other treasure hunting were saying about reversed engineering because real north was reversed to south. Take a look at this compass

Excuse me but that doesn't look reversed to me. It seems that you've just got them facing OPPOSITE directions. That's all. Do we look stupid to you or what, Mr. NS?
Why don't you turn them both facing the SAME direction and then take your new photos for us to compare with?
TW

Tony

I'm not making anybody stupid in this site. I am sharing relevant information here. Compass always point at the north if put that at even surface. But this compass point at south. Compare that to my other compass which really point at north.. You cannot turn them both in one direction. It will reverse again and again.. Did you get my point.

Janner

post a pic of the back of your compass If you dare !!!

Did you see the back of the compass? What can you say?
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 05, 2011, 07:02:39 PM
There is a second opinion on it. my opinion at that. It is called the pouring of Anti-Colonialist sentiments and the establishment of its own identity.

Just something to think:

Why did Japan adopted the Metric System in 1924, instead of the English system, despite of all the presence, friendship, and introduction of "modern" technology by the western world there?

What is the history of the Japanese light machineguns, why is the magasine being placed on top of the barrel and not on the side or the bottom? And the above (IF true); why was the marking pointer "painted" to the South and not to the North?

I am no anti-colonialist but rather, I grew up with all the history books of my parents and I read between the lines.



Dindo

You get a good point in your above statement that Japanese adopted metric system as their standard of measurement before the war.. Take a look at the scale of the compass used by Japanese.. 1: 25,000     Meter. But the readable word is ETER
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 05, 2011, 08:59:59 PM
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Dindo

You get a good point in your above statement that Japanese adopted metric system as their standard of measurement before the war.. Take a look at the scale of the compass used by Japanese.. 1: 25,000     Meter. But the readable word is ETER

Really? I was expecting that one. Japanese military issues in WWII never use the spelling "METER", they use the spelling "METRE". :D :D :D

Now we are talking.
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 05, 2011, 09:34:48 PM
The spelling "METER" was only made use there after  the war in 1947 when the Americans were already there due to the pouring of development assistance on the damages caused by the war.
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 05, 2011, 09:39:18 PM
That was under the provisions of the Treaty of peace with Japan
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 05, 2011, 09:58:06 PM
Therefore, that compass could only have been produced in 1951, six long years after the war.
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 05, 2011, 10:08:35 PM
Therefore, that compass could only have been made in 1951 or so.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: t_hunter44 on June 06, 2011, 04:04:55 AM
another pic
      Take a look for yourself on Post#505. CLICK on ANY of the photos to ENLARGE, then on the TOP RIGHT CORNER, CLICK on the ARROW, Left or Right and the photos will be Enlarged individually or zoomed -in . Look at that BLACKLINE which is noticeably part of the lens, at one time it was pointed between 260 and 280, ::)NS forgot to turn the Bezel so that Black Line will Point to south.Degree variations is still correct, increasing clockwise from zero. Ido not need to dictate to you guys what you need to see and influence you, study it yourself and make your own conclusions, have fun.
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: t_hunter44 on June 06, 2011, 04:09:52 AM
  Also, take note of that BLACK LINE, on some of the photos, it is OFFSET from the CENTER, that cannot happen if that is the compass needle. Guys, do not be deceive.
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: t_hunter44 on June 06, 2011, 05:00:01 AM
Japan WW2 Lansatic Compass at ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=160456658593 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=160456658593)
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 06, 2011, 06:04:13 PM
Maybe this is the right way to present the compass. I placed a tornado level to make the surface even, so that compass moves freely. I positioned both compass in the same direction. Take note of the yellow line from my new compass and black line to the Japanese compass. The result is still the same. They were on opposite direction of the north and south reference point
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 06, 2011, 06:10:43 PM
East and West reference point. Still in opposite direction
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 06, 2011, 06:17:53 PM
Top view
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Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 06, 2011, 06:20:33 PM
Bottom
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 06, 2011, 06:33:39 PM
This will be the future design, so that no degree of error in getting the exact bearing. I'm still designing the stand of the compass that can be utilized in all terrain formations. Handy and user's friendly. The compass will be mounted on top of the tornado level. so that the surface will be even and compass will moved freely to get the exact direction.
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 06, 2011, 06:41:41 PM
Another picture
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 06, 2011, 06:47:30 PM
Unlike in this position, There will be some degree of error. You need to hold your breath to stand still and get the right direction..
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 06, 2011, 07:34:24 PM
http://translation.sensagent.com/eter/id-ja/ (http://translation.sensagent.com/eter/id-ja/)    This the link for translation of ETER in Japanese
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 06, 2011, 07:45:37 PM
Analogical Tree - It is the analogical Matching on matters about similar in sounding, Algorithm and applications.

Therefore ETER is similar in sound with METER.

Try again 
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: NORTHSTAR on June 06, 2011, 07:52:14 PM
Analogical Tree - It is the analogical Matching on matters about similar in sounding, Algorithm and applications.

Therefore ETER is similar in sound with METER.

Try again 

Got you.. That's all I got. Jejeje ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 06, 2011, 07:58:36 PM
He-he, who got who? Your METER is a S.I. version (System Internationale) which was ONLY ADOPTED in 1977-1978. therefore what year was your COMPASS made? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 06, 2011, 08:03:58 PM
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The "Metre" or "Meter".

#
# ^ The Metric Conversion Act of 1975 gives the Secretary of Commerce of the US the responsibility of interpreting or modifying the SI for use in the US. The Secretary of Commerce delegated this authority to the Director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) (Turner). In 2008, NIST published the US version (Taylor and Thompson, 2008a) of the English text of the eighth edition of the BIPM publication Le Système international d'unités (SI) (BIPM, 2006). In the NIST publication, the spellings "meter", "liter" and "deka" are used rather than "metre", "litre" and "deca" as in the original BIPM English text (Taylor and Thompson, 2008a, p. iii). The Director of the NIST officially recognised this publication, together with Taylor and Thompson (2008b), as the "legal interpretation" of the SI for the United States (Turner).

so you can see, the word "Meter" was "Never" used during WWII by anyone!

Source Wikipedia

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What was seen on one gadget with "METER" part was in "S.I. (Sytem Internationale)" and the first country who adopted the S.I. was in 1977-1978 and therefore it was definitely made after the war.  :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 06, 2011, 10:18:49 PM
eter:

measuring block, measuring unit...karat...displacement unit...etc. THIS IS A UNIT OF ADOPTION.

Now THEREFORE, upon your posting:

1:25,000 eter means 1:25,000 UNITS??? Units of WHAT????

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE!!! Bwahahahah ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 06, 2011, 10:25:39 PM
1:25,000 karats???, 1:25,000 lbs/cubic meters??? 1:25,000 displacement unit???

Go back to High School Physics.
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: t_hunter44 on June 07, 2011, 04:07:15 AM
Unlike in this position, There will be some degree of error. You need to hold your breath to stand still and get the right direction..
     Hold your breath, what, to read the Compass,  ::), so, what you are saying is there will be no movement at all to be able to read the compass for it to read properly, then you cannot read the compass when you are at sea or you have so much jitter that you cannot hold the compass steady as you run out of alcohol or drugs. Some more of your crap NS. You should have been a politician,you will make a good one, WHY, you keep talking even when your brain had STOPPED. >:(
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: t_hunter44 on June 07, 2011, 04:19:30 AM





Dindo

You get a good point in your above statement that Japanese adopted metric system as their standard of measurement before the war.. Take a look at the scale of the compass used by Japanese.. 1: 25,000     Meter. But the readable word is ETER
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       REply #16. Enlarge the photo and one can read the word METER, get your eyes checked.
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: t_hunter44 on June 07, 2011, 07:11:44 AM
1:25,000 karats???, 1:25,000 lbs/cubic meters??? 1:25,000 displacement unit???

Go back to High School Physics.

DB, I bet ya NS do not know himself.
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: Gener on June 07, 2011, 10:26:51 AM
Well i used an engineers compass few days ago and it works so perfect even im standing on top of a moving rock in the middle of a river! Only that compass helped me to find what many previous hunters havent seen and i found it within just few minutes..... ;D ;) ;D...the group are dying of joy afterwards!

HELLO EVERYBODY!!! HAVE A NICE & BEAUTIFUL DAY!!!
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: Southern TH on June 07, 2011, 03:50:22 PM
Hello sir Gener,

What a nice story, can you post what kind of compass  is that and may i ask if it is available in the market.  Thanks and GOD Bless..
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: admin on June 07, 2011, 07:25:29 PM
Hey Gener. Welcome back!
TW
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: Gener on June 08, 2011, 06:38:36 AM
Thanks TW... ;)
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: t_hunter44 on June 08, 2011, 08:44:46 AM
Correction of my Post #40; Quote from NS addressed to Dindo on Post #16

From NS to Dindo

You get a good point in your above statement that Japanese adopted metric system as their standard of measurement before the war.. Take a look at the scale of the compass used by Japanese.. 1: 25,000     Meter. But the readable word is ETER
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      T_hunter 44 to NS, Not Dindo; Reply #16. Enlarge the photo and one can read the word METER, get your eyes checked.

Sorry DB, I quoted the Post # 16 of NS and deleted some parts of it but failed to delete your name so my post looks like it was directed at you instead of NS, so it is NS that need his eyes checked or he is just directing us intentionally to look for ETER but one can see the M vividly to spell METER.

       
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: raquel_lyks on June 08, 2011, 08:58:59 AM
you're right t_h44.... :) I can see M this photos and need to be clean.. the question is why only the M are not being clean ..... ???

Raqz ;)
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: DINDO BAYAUA on June 08, 2011, 09:16:09 AM
t_hunter, no problem here on my side. I already know to whom it is really directed.
Title: Re: WWII Japanese compass
Post by: admin on June 08, 2011, 08:13:36 PM
OK, Northstar, the members here have clearly proved that what you were saying about that so-called Japanese Compass was NOT true. I even gave you 24 hours to try and somehow dispute their facts but since you haven't even reply back it looks like the majority wins and this topic is hereby locked.
Thank you everyone for your input and understanding.
TW