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YAMASHITA'S / WW2 TREASURE => Treasure Marks, Signs and Symbols of the Yamashita Treasure => Topic started by: kaloy on March 25, 2018, 09:26:21 PM

Title: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on March 25, 2018, 09:26:21 PM
hypothetical scenario:

a tree as nearby landmark
a distant hill às a bearing point

where is the most likely location of the target assuming you dont go beyond the 100 m radius from the tree
your inputs are all welcome
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on March 25, 2018, 09:35:13 PM
i forgot to mention, the hill is at southeast of the tree.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: Voyager on March 26, 2018, 10:15:56 AM
I would have used reliable dowsing.  Then look for additional markers.  That way I can easily plot the whole site..

V
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on March 26, 2018, 06:27:48 PM
thanks for the input.
i had lost my faith in detectors/gadgets/scanners/etc...

the tree in the pic is a madre cacao tree. . . placed by the japs as a wooden post maybe to represent something.
cacaos easily grow. it had grown through the years.

Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: Voyager on March 26, 2018, 07:05:00 PM
Same here, so we were lucky to find a reliable dowser.  Good luck bro!!

V
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: fom1113 on March 28, 2018, 03:03:01 PM
Facing the mountain what is the compass direction of that site, north, east, south, west?

If that spot stands exact to a certain bearing point (any of the 4 N. S. W. E.) with supporting signs, 100% that was a burial site of YT.

No one can tell where and what spot to dig, treasures were buried in a spotted radius style scattered everywhere with accurate compass bearing from a clear surface sign. Keep in mind that every treasure load was buried with engineering plan. You need a cleaver understanding of logic of signs and markers if you don't have an experienced dowser who understands triangulation and compass code reading.

In my case i'll do first a dowsing and hunting of biggest load of the area and by that i can avoid it by using compass bearing to look for smaller loads (medium and small) several meters away with detection as a support and confirmation and after that is triangulation of available signs and markers.

Tricky but imho is accurate and foolproof. If we want success we need to do all of these.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: fom1113 on March 28, 2018, 03:22:22 PM
i forgot to mention, the hill is at southeast of the tree.


Sorry, answer in my question is already here.

If the hill is away from East or South exact compass bearing point it must be at 150 degrees possibly.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on April 03, 2018, 04:55:18 PM
sorry for late reply.
i forgot the exact compass reading, but it is close to 120-130 deg...

Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: fom1113 on April 08, 2018, 07:13:07 AM
Examine the madrecacao tree if it was planted and aligned to other trees or dead trees. If it is so then there is a smaller deposit, a higher chance for recovery.

I assume that mountain is the Pyramid mountain of Mangatarem. I was there at the opposite side month ago. If your compass bearing of the mountain is 130 then your site is at the opposite side. There was a single word that i said when i was there, amazing. But i noticed that treasures buried around that mountain are properly engineered so be careful in finding your spot that at the start you might be digging to those deep big load that may possibly end up in failure.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on April 09, 2018, 01:59:00 PM

no my site is from other town but i know the placed you mentioned well. ive trained and calloused my hands in that place, despite having the copy of the sketch of the japs struggler i still dont find those loveing hoards of loots written in the sketch. shame on me.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on April 25, 2018, 01:48:47 PM
here's the simple sketch of the site.
assuming there is a load near tree c,
what quadrant will it be located?  no gadgets.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: fom1113 on April 26, 2018, 08:41:19 AM
 Good morning Caloy,

If you are standing right at the spot of tree C there is a possible SMALL DEPOSIT located at 3rd quadrant of that tree and that is also the 4th quadrant of the tree B, the load is located at the opposite side of the creek near the three rocks. While standing at the spot of the tree C also directly to the east is the possible location of a slightly bigger load. Regarding the small deposit just follow the message of the three rocks because that small deposit together with tree C and tree B are with the same orientation as the rocks.

Do not dig anywhere in between C and B trees, that might be at the spot of extremely deep big load in that area. But if you have plenty of funds to use that is a perfect load spot to look for. This tip is not perfect, just telling you the nearest to load dig spot in your site. One to two meters missed is not bad because directional sign that you may find beneath will guide you trough out.
Happy hunting bro you are near to success. Small deposit depth range is more or less 13 meters. Do not forget to give me one small chunk, lol.

Fom1113
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on April 26, 2018, 09:27:34 AM
awesome! how did you that!?
actually the strugller told my grandpa that there are 3 loads and 1 small load in the area but my grandpa forgot the details, one thing he remembered is a load located near tree c somewhëre on the east or a bit on the southeast.

bullion thanks. magandang buhay
God bless...
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: Voyager on April 26, 2018, 10:53:25 AM
amazing job fom1113!!  I think you were lucky to find a good mentor. Someday if I have  time, we will visit Luzon and check out the remaining GL sites not yet recovered.  Who knows? Just one site  should be enough (libre mangarap di ba ?).   (translation: to dream is free, right?)

V
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: fom1113 on April 26, 2018, 10:55:34 AM
Haha. I visited lot of positive YT places and noticed the similarity of some signs especially surface signs. That plenty of experiences gave me programmed logical understanding of surface sign locations, trees, rocks. Reference point to directional sign going to supporting signs with loads. That was blessings, the treasure inside of me. Thanks that i gave you clear understanding of the area. Now that you pinned down the most difficult in YT hunting, the load spotting, get ready for the next task, planning and verifying the dig spot.

May you succeed with your venture.

Happy hunting.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: fom1113 on April 26, 2018, 11:12:22 AM
Good morning sir Voyager,

My surface sign location reading of Caloy site was just an analization of the area according to his drawing. Comparing his site to some previous locations i visited gave me clues and estimates of the spot og loads.

By the way i have no mentor for this. Its all just plenty of places and map readings and comparisons of every locations, reading of surface signs that gave me a kind of mind opener for load spotting. My understanding is not perfect but atleast near to target spot.

Thank you because your drawing is another compilation of studies for me.

May you succeed guys. Thanks.

fom1113
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: fom1113 on April 26, 2018, 11:24:51 AM
This is how to verify a right dig spot.

You should see rock signs with these shapes...

D, O, triangle, diamond shaped, oblong. If you noticed the redundant appearances of all of these rocks up to level 6 feet then you may continue digging and relax.

God bless you all!

fom1113
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on April 26, 2018, 11:36:24 AM
tree c has a big hole, nakadapa ung kahoy at pinutol ung main trunk na naging butas. (somebody translate pls). thanks
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: Voyager on April 26, 2018, 02:11:04 PM
Ok. You're one THunter who uses his brains more than his brawn.  You're a rare bred. Btw is it true that all Golden Lily sites in Pangasinan had already been recovered? What about those in Bambang?

V
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on April 26, 2018, 09:31:44 PM
the cover up of the GL sites by organizations and the elites have succeded in pangàsinan as well às in other places i guessed. fake maps have circulated in luzon. they have done so because pangasinan is loaded next to kiangan, the biggest in the north... am one of the victims of this God damn scam.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: Voyager on April 27, 2018, 11:27:20 AM
[(tree c has a big hole, nakadapa ung kahoy at pinutol ung main trunk na naging butas. (somebody translate pls). thanks]
from fom113


Translation: “tree C has a big hole; the tree was in a lying position and the main trunk was cut which became a hole”

Thanks fom113 for your info. You’re right; the Japanese style in one site sometimes is being repeated in other sites.  But you’re a good man; other hunters will just keep this info to themselves.

To sir Kaloy: sorry to hear that. I know someday you will find success, just keep on digging and pray.
V

Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on April 27, 2018, 12:46:18 PM
thanks voyager.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: fom1113 on April 29, 2018, 08:42:13 AM
  Dear fellow TH,

 This is the possible locations of loads, as i said this is not perfect but at least the possible areas where to go on spotting. Green is the small load and yellow are medium loads. Red as big load that should be avoided.

  The spot with light blue dots is the common location of PENTAGONAL formation of loads If you dig a hole as big as 5 meters per side you can probably recover all of this 5 loads one at a time. First and small load possible depth range is 10 meters more or less. This is an interesting spot to dig as the loads are not in the same levels. If you missed one then another is waiting down there and so on.

In relation to the trees there are secret loads at the area of rocks. Those rocks are sending a secret message but this area should be meticulously triangulated which is beyond my knowledge. Something written on it.

 Clearly this site is properly planned and engineered.

fom1113
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: fom1113 on April 29, 2018, 08:48:44 AM
Dear Voyager,

 I can not recover all of these treasures with myself. No reason for me not not share my understanding about this.
 We are created to help each other brothers.

fom1113
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on April 29, 2018, 02:39:10 PM
thanks bro...
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 06, 2018, 12:13:35 PM
found at 1 ft deep near tree c
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 09, 2018, 08:21:29 PM
probably another marker or a tool misplaced. found @ 1 ft  deep 1 meter away from the bolo posted above. had a pointed end pointing to the bolo. what does it mean if ever it is a marker?
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: Voyager on May 10, 2018, 01:07:18 PM
I think it's a market pointing to the bolo. So you have to follow whereever the bolo is pointing.

V
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 11, 2018, 09:44:13 AM
markerwise, is it the tip or the handle of the bolo to follow?
thanks
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: Voyager on May 12, 2018, 10:12:57 AM
It is the tip as a rule.   Follow the tip first. As for the handle, was there any sign of rotten wood at the handle? if none it means it was purposely made a pointer too.  There might be more than one deposit and the other is pointed by the handle.  Because if they did not intend it as a pointer they will cut it.

V
 
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 12, 2018, 10:25:24 AM
i like the last sentence, another bolo was found and this time the blade is longer than the first one but it had a cut handle, all was left is an inch-long handle.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: Voyager on May 13, 2018, 11:24:34 AM
Pointing to another deposit? If I'm not mistaken our friend fom1113 said that there could be 3 medium deposits around that tree.  You might want to try measuring the blade of the bolos in cm. and convert it to meters.  That could be the distance of the deposit from the bolos.  (but if your area was occupied by Koreans, then inches to feet or yards).

V
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 25, 2018, 07:15:49 PM
undisturbed soil cover?
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: admin on May 26, 2018, 09:00:41 AM
Certainly looks like it.
TW

undisturbed soil cover?
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 26, 2018, 09:16:06 AM
yeah. hard and compact. we locally call it "pila". i dont know how it is called in english for that soil type.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: Voyager on May 26, 2018, 09:26:18 AM
yes, I'm afraid looks like undisturbed.

V
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: renantiur on May 27, 2018, 05:31:36 PM


try drilling. and drill as many holes as you like until you hit the gold.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 27, 2018, 09:36:23 PM
yes drilling is sure and logical move...but i just want to go simple and unnoticed. thanks

in 50 year time or more, and with the action of water as this site is wet from july to december, is it possible that the dug site will almost go back to its original form assuming that the soil taken up before was returned to its original hole with few mixes of course and some foreign objects? thanks
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 29, 2018, 10:11:46 PM
found an empty shell (not sure about the caliber) with a headstamp of "SL". . i looked it up in the wikipedia and it means saint louis ordnance plant in missouri. 1941-1945...
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: enochsea7 on May 29, 2018, 10:47:12 PM
Wow that's a trip... Really seems like that could be a from a gun fight between U.S. soldiers and the Japanese. Sure sign something went down in that area.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 30, 2018, 04:11:10 AM
yeah, i just cant figure out why American ammo was used if ever that's a Japanese treasure marker, maybe it's just a trash...anyway it was found at 2ft, shallow enough to be a marker, that depth may at the surface during the 1940s as the area received soil debris from the creek during the rainy season. thanks
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: Voyager on May 30, 2018, 09:41:43 AM
Thunting is mostly solving puzzles.  The more puzzle you solve the nearer you get to the load. 

In our case we employ an accurate dowser, then do drilling.  But of course it's only applicable to shallow load and with ordinary soil.  Or you could employ 3 dowsers. Our dowser told us that he was once employed by a Japanese group during construction of an airport (the said airport was previously an old airport by the Japanese during WW2 and was converted to a modern one - of course the winning bidder was a Japanese group).  The said Japanese contractor would employ 3 dowsers - one Japanese and 2 Filipinos - dowsing the area without meeting each other and at different hours of the day.  IF their result is the same - meaning SAME AREA AND DEPTH, the Japanese will once close the area and commence work.  However the dowser will be called up again to return about 5 ft. before the load to confirm if the load is still there.  One time he said, the backhoe operator forgot that he's supposed to stop and continued, hitting the wooden boxes filled with bars wrapped with asphalt...
 My experience however is downers can be accurate in depth if the load is shallow. To be sure theres the need for drilling.

V
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: ZOBEX on May 31, 2018, 10:18:02 AM
found an empty shell (not sure about the caliber) with a headstamp of "SL". . i looked it up in the wikipedia and it means saint louis ordnance plant in missouri. 1941-1945...

That is 1944, the last digit is the one used for dating.  If it was date stamped 1944, it would not make it into theater use till 1945 because of supply delivery timing.  Old ww2 ammo was being given out to other countries as late as 1970, being at that time only 15 years old.  A lot of the ammo used in 1942 was dated 1918 - 1921 .  Probably PH ranger or scout use in the past, unless there is a pile of spent brass there.  As late as 1970 I could purchase surplus WW2 ammo locally and blast up the stuff out in the local desert.  In particular 30cal carbine.  Lots of it was still available.  Wow that was 48 years ago, man just thinking that made me feel old.

Z
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 31, 2018, 07:39:15 PM
yes it suggests that those cartridges were used prior to Liberation when Americans cleaned the area for the remaining Japanese strugglers seeking refuge in the mountains.. stories of Japanese soldiers stealing foods after the Liberation were told by the old folks in the area...
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on June 29, 2018, 06:25:05 PM
assuming i am targetting a load at/or near tree C, is it 40, 45, or 50 degrees? or if there is/are small scattered load/s in the middle or near the middle of line tree A to tree C, can you give me a coordinate where it is most likely located?
thanks thanks...

Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on June 29, 2018, 06:41:56 PM
hope this is clearer
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on June 29, 2018, 08:22:44 PM
the scale is 5mm is to 2ft not 5mm:1ft.

topography wise, the creek is at elevated position than trees B and C.
the creek cuts the slope horizontally. the slope runs east to west.
facing downstream which is north, the area at your right is a flat land.
i'm telling this to give more perspective to the decoders.
burrowing at the side of the creek and placing the object at the center of the creek is a Japanese repertoire and this idea troubles me a lot because it is hard to operate.
 or if the object is placed at the downslope side of the creek (the other side is more elevated), could it be possible that they dug the creek (dry during summer) and burrow to the lower side so when they retrieve it, they just break the thinner wall and bingo? hope somebody could share some of his experiences about this matter.
thanks
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: fom1113 on June 30, 2018, 08:15:39 PM
Your YT site isn't as simple as you think. Complex engineering was applied there and expect multiple loads around the area. There were planted trees long time ago and now are missing. There was a tree in between the tree A to tree C along the side of the creek. Anyway lets just use the existing trees but please specify what kind of tree in A, B and C. Standing between tree B and tree C while facing the east, what kind of tree is in there at the distance of 100 meters more or less?
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on June 30, 2018, 09:38:31 PM
Your YT site isn't as simple as you think. Complex engineering was applied there and expect multiple loads around the area. There were planted trees long time ago and now are missing. There was a tree in between the tree A to tree C along the side of the creek. Anyway lets just use the existing trees but please specify what kind of tree in A, B and C. Standing between tree B and tree C while facing the east, what kind of tree is in there at the distance of 100 meters more or less?


Tree A= santol. existing but only the grown shoot. main trunk was cut down long ago.
Tree B= madre cacao. a lot boundary post during the war but had grown to an old tree at present. still existing, the one i posted in page 1 of this thread.
Tree C= mango. not existing but i had seen it when it was still there. this is the tree i mentioned with a hole.

standing bet. B and C facing east there is no tree. plain riceland.
there are no other trees bet A and C. only bamboos. but there is another "puntod o tuod ng madre cacao" beside the creek near the line A-C.

big thanks.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: fom1113 on July 01, 2018, 01:41:14 PM
[standing bet. B and C facing east there is no tree. plain riceland.
there are no other trees bet A and C. only bamboos. but there is another "puntod o tuod ng madre cacao" beside the creek near the line A-C.]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


That's it, thanks!
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on July 01, 2018, 02:44:40 PM
i'm gettin' excited man, keep it comin'...
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on March 01, 2019, 05:30:26 PM
updated sketch of the site
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on March 01, 2019, 05:34:01 PM
clearer sketch
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on March 01, 2019, 05:40:34 PM
going back to the undying topic of load spotting, those that recognizes similarities with the other sites they encountered, where are the possible loads? thanks
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: fom1113 on March 23, 2019, 12:25:31 PM
 Assuming the mothercode or surface sign is still there and in that area is the usual location of big loads. From that mothercode spot go to the south. Cluster of loads can be found there about 50 meters away MOL. Then look for the supporting sign, from that supporting sign go to the east or west to locate the smaller and easier or shallower depo about 15 to 25 meters away from supporting sign. Yet another sign can be found pointing you directly where to dig, sometimes those signs were buried about 1 foot below ground, known as hidden markers and trail signs.

Complicated. Without any surface signs around and a clever guy to help you that is nearly impossible to locate the small target load. Locator can be fooled by larger depo around.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 18, 2019, 08:15:42 PM
update:
this hole is created by water during rainy season...what is unusual in this hole is that, it is cemented thinly from the sides ... the seemingly black soil in the center is a cement discolored thru the action of changing weather condition..
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 18, 2019, 08:18:36 PM
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Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 18, 2019, 08:22:39 PM
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Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 18, 2019, 08:23:59 PM
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Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: fom1113 on May 24, 2019, 12:58:42 PM
Old septic tank?
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 25, 2019, 01:34:57 PM
no... a small waterfall of a ditch... dried up during summer... more or less 100 meters away NW of tree A.
Title: Re: of hill and tree
Post by: kaloy on May 25, 2019, 01:37:18 PM
i mean tree C not tree A.