The Southeast Asian Treasure Connection
YAMASHITA'S / WW2 TREASURE => General Chat about WWII LOOT => Topic started by: tninja on May 22, 2019, 04:34:30 PM
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Hello my fellow treasure hunters. I hope you are all experiencing progress towards your goals. Here I was hoping we could discuss the attitude of Filipinos in regards to foreigners who come to search for treasure in the Philippines. Maybe we could have an open discussion where "anything goes" in the spirit of constructive/informative dialogue if the moderators would allow.
To all Filipino treasure hunters I ask this question...
How do you feel about foreigners coming to the Philippines to search for Yamashita's treasure?
Please feel free to open up and express your inner most thoughts and feelings about the topic.
Since I have posed the question I will answer it also.
Personally, my attitude is that the treasure actually does not belong to any of us since it was clearly ripped from the hands of its owners during the bloodbath of WW2. After that the real owners were lost to history. I even read that a lot of the gold actually came from Europe and was re-smelted in Singapore with hallmarks of less powerful nations to avoid future reclamation. I understand some Filipinos feel they have 100% rights to the treasure because it is now buried in the Philippines and all foreigners should be prevented from any of it. But frankly speaking, if it was not for foreigners fighting and dying during WW2, the Philippines would not be the Philippines right now. It would be conquered land under the control of Japan. So in other words, Filipinos would never have a inkling of hope at recovering any of Yamashita's gold if it were not for foreigners fighting and dying to save them from the Japanese. You could say that the Americans are actually the reason the treasure was buried here in the first place. It was American submarines that formed the blockade in the South China Sea and prevented the Japanese from transporting all the loot back to Japan.
So with all that being said, my opinion is that we all have a claim to the treasure. There should not be any negativity about foreigners in the Philippines helping Filipinos recover the loot. So let us work together to retrieve the treasures left behind as a result of the blood sacrifices our ancestors made long ago.
Please feel free to disagree if you have conflicting views.
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Good post and I agree with you 100%. Let's see what the other treasure hunters have to say about this.
Personally, I have been asked countless times by Filipino treasure hunters to assist them either with equipment or financially so if they are asking assistance so many, many times they I guess they don't have any harsh feelings against Americans? I hope not.
TW
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Interesting post and I agree for the most part.
Though it seems a strange question, since it was technically stolen and put there by 'foreigners' in the first place.
That is one thing that makes treasure hunting so unique and fun, anyone can do it, from any corner of the earth, from any class of society, age of race; rich or poor, black or white, good and bad - fishermen to businessmen, rice farmers up to the president, all do it. though so few ever find any treasure.
Yes, you're right about a lot of the Gold coming from Europe, and America, most of this was re-smelted and re-stamped in the Burma refinery, which was British owned, Before, During and After the war. You see, this was a global planned event which included people from around the world at the highest levels of monarchy, military and corporate. Those would be the same British/European banking consortium who own the US federal reserve, which began shipping gold out of U.S. and into Europe in the early 30s.... you see the chess board was being set, well in advance to the war. This is how they plan any of their global events, and why they seem so damn well organised.
Disagreed on the Submarine Blockade, there is much more to that story than most people talk about. The plan to bury this in the Philippines came years before the war ever began. It was fairly neutral territory, The emperor never had intentions to bring the treasure all the way, as to keep it from falling into the hands of his opposing Japanese Parliament. They did assume above all else that the Philippines could remain under Japanese military control, but they were of course wrong. but that has not stopped their recovery efforts.
So yeah it's really a 'finders keepers' game generally. does not matter where you're from. but then again if you're not careful you can lose it to one of the many groups out there waiting to relieve you of it, Filipinos and foreigners.
A good friend of mine once told me there are 3 types of TH - The Hunter, The Finder and The Keeper.
Those who hunt don't always find and those who find don't always keep. Trick is to become all 3.
I've had good and bad experiences working with filipinos here, just like i've had good and bad experiences with foreigners here, an asshole is an asshole whatever color you paint it.
Japanese arrogantly believe it all belongs to them, which is why they're sooo reluctant to speak to anyone else, apart from locals whom they generally control and keep at arms length during a project.
But then again since technically the Philippines was U.S. soil after they kicked out the Spanish, and was still U.S. soil during the Japanese era up until just after the war. So techincally the treasure was all buried on American Soil. That is why the american powers see it as theirs.
Not to mention China, who I'm told a majority of the Treasure actually came from.
So it's all a bit of a conundrum really.
I'd just try and weave my way through the petty conflicts and political ambitions and try to find even just an ammo box of coins or a bar.
When we drop the flags and erase the borderlines, we are really all just one people after all. But so many obstacles have been designed to divide us and turn our attention away from the truth.
Proud to say I've had more good times than bad working with people out here, american and filipino, and many of those friendships are what I will always treasure.
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there are 3 types of TH - The Hunter, The Finder and The Keeper.
Those who hunt don't always find and those who find don't always keep. Trick is to become all 3.
Really appreciate the reply. Great info and wisdom for sure. Thanks again.
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Yes but it would have been nice if Goldenwarrior mentioned if he's a Foreigner or a Filipino. I'm suspecting you're probably a Foreigner (most likely American).
Allow me to correct one thing though.. just because the USA kicked out the Spanish and had bases there in the Philippines doesn't actually make it U.S. soil. It's not a U.S. state. The U.S. doesn't own the land (or people). We were just protecting it - with the blessings of the Filipino people. I'm sure some Filipino's may get offended when they read how you described that there.
Anyway, happy hunting!
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I'm not so sure about that admin, I think the U.S. Insular Philippine Government constitutes as more than just a few military bases? the insular U.S. government in the Philippines was set up in 1901, and ended when the commonwealth was established in 1935, commonwealth status lasted for 10 years, designed to bring the country to independence in 1945,, but then the Japanese turned up and delayed everything, so I believe official independence was declared on July 4th 1946
Puerto Rico and Guam also had insular governments in this period.
Perhaps 'Soil' was not the best choice of words, but It was seen to be a U.S. territory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_Government_of_the_Philippine_Islands
After all there was a war between U.S. and PH straight after the Spanish left. not to mention the USD10,000,000 U.S. paid to Spain in a French court for 'Damages' - I don't see it as the Filipinos giving their Blessings to the U.S. to stay, they wanted their independence. A once great kingdom of Maharlika, in the days before colonialists and conquistadors, a time when cities like Butuan, in Northern Mindanao, were known to all surrounding nations and traders as, 'The City of Gold'.
Let's face it U.S. has been known to be a Bully more than a Protector. A bit like Jack Palance in the movie Shane; throwing the pistol at the innocent sheep herders feet and forcing him to pick up to give justification for shooting him. So I doubt they really cared about having anyones blessing.
I'm not American, nor Filipino, not Japanese either. I would rather not disclose (since It won't make a difference) ;)
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I'm not so sure about that admin, I think the U.S. Insular Philippine Government constitutes as more than just a few military bases? the insular U.S. government in the Philippines was set up in 1901, and ended when the commonwealth was established in 1935, commonwealth status lasted for 10 years, designed to bring the country to independence in 1945,, but then the Japanese turned up and delayed everything, so I believe official independence was declared on July 4th 1946
Puerto Rico and Guam also had insular governments in this period.
Perhaps 'Soil' was not the best choice of words, but It was seen to be a U.S. territory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_Government_of_the_Philippine_Islands
After all there was a war between U.S. and PH straight after the Spanish left. not to mention the USD10,000,000 U.S. paid to Spain in a French court for 'Damages' - I don't see it as the Filipinos giving their Blessings to the U.S. to stay, they wanted their independence. A once great kingdom of Maharlika, in the days before colonialists and conquistadors, a time when cities like Butuan, in Northern Mindanao, were known to all surrounding nations and traders as, 'The City of Gold'.
Let's face it U.S. has been known to be a Bully more than a Protector. A bit like Jack Palance in the movie Shane; throwing the pistol at the innocent sheep herders feet and forcing him to pick up to give justification for shooting him. So I doubt they really cared about having anyones blessing.
I'm not American, nor Filipino, not Japanese either. I would rather not disclose (since It won't make a difference) ;)
I remember reading this concept of the great kingdom of Maharlika was actually just a fictitious story Marcos made up to explain how on earth he ended up with so many tons of gold bars in his possession. He said that some of the royal descendants of this "Kingdom of Gold" had paid him in gold bars to somehow revive the old kingdom. Is that not true? Where are you getting this information about Maharlika that you feel is so historically accurate? I'm not doubting it, just very curious.
I've always believed that these islands have a magical history that most of us probably wouldn't believe even if we heard it. My Filipino friend knew a contractor who was in the process of excavating the foundation for a shopping mall several years back. While digging they unearthed a giant skeleton 17 ft long. It went unreported because they didn't want any officials coming in to interfere with their project. But I believe it 100%. Then there are the legends of the "Giant Cemetery" near Samal etc. All of Southeast Asia used to be an absolutely fantastical wonderland. There is a mummified FAERY, yes a faery, in one of the Buddhist temples near Bangkok Thailand. You look at the thing, its a freaking faery man. No joke. How I wish I could close my eyes and see/experience those times.
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Let's face it U.S. has been known to be a Bully more than a Protector.
I'm no historian but didn't we give the Philippines back to Filipinos? I was always under the impression that the Americans did not immediately return the islands back to Filipinos after the war with Spain because they simply were not ready to rule their own country or protect themselves from being conquered again. All the islands were split up in to different warring tribes and factions that by no means were naturally peaceful with each other. I mean, there are some obscure stories about things getting out of control at times during the American occupation but for the most part the Americans treated Filipinos very well. The American occupation was nothing at all like when Spain was here. Then during WW2 the Americans absolutely did save Filipinos and their land from the Japanese. No denying that. Then we literally gave them independence... The Americans certainly did not have to give the Philippine islands back to Filipinos, but they did. So I don't think its fair at all to label America a bully more than a protector, at least where the Philippines are concerned. Again, if it were not for the Americans, this would be JAPAN. So give some credit where its due my bro... Just saying ;)
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Goldenwarrior72 i assume you are a chinese. If not a chinese let me ask you about china activities on spratly for almost 2 decades now? Isnt it bullying or plain greediness? For us Filipinos that spratly issue is the most extreme bullying that we ever experienced. Are those US interventions in spratly is an example of bullying of US? Hell no.
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Definitely bullying by the Chinese. They would claim the entire South China Sea if it were up to them. And the funny thing is.. your President (Dutarte) is EMBRACING them!! I really don't understand him at all. Why embrace someone who is clearly encroaching onto your land and moving into your back yard like that???
TW
Goldenwarrior72 i assume you are a chinese. If not a chinese let me ask you about china activities on spratly for almost 2 decades now? Isnt it bullying or plain greediness? For us Filipinos that spratly issue is the most extreme bullying that we ever experienced. Are those US interventions in spratly is an example of bullying of US? Hell no.
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Definitely bullying by the Chinese. They would claim the entire South China Sea if it were up to them. And the funny thing is.. your President (Dutarte) is EMBRACING them!! I really don't understand him at all. Why embrace someone who is clearly encroaching onto your land and moving into your back yard like that???
TW
I won't openly insult Duterte here because I know many Filipinos love the guy. In a way I understand why they love him. I also know that you may as well throw in towel trying to convince them to do otherwise. I think it has to do with the fact that he appears to be a tough guy who really stands up for the every day Filipino. That's fine... One thing is clear. China would be all over the Philippines dominating every aspect of Filipino life at this very moment if the U.S. was not standing in their way. That's a fact. And yes I agree he is really bending over for China these days in a major way. Did you see the news recently? It was like one day China was driving away Filipino fisherman from their own territory and stealing giant clams that had literally been seeded there by Filipinos, the next day Duterte flies to China to sign infrastructure deals. I mean WTF man? Then a Marcos gets voted in to the senate... I also don't understand any of it at all. But I still love the Philippines and Filipino people so don't get me wrong folks.
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Okay, i know what you mean. You really like the style of Noynoy aquino then. He protested and spread the news everywhere including international news then after that, china planted some lies on banana virus blah blah being exported to them forcing almost all banana exporter to throw their bananas everywhere, i have seen the news about some truckloads of bananas were thrown beside a highway to limit losses on fuel. Its not only about bananas coz some other products were not allowed to be exported to china. Chinese navy pirates confiscated all fishes from every fishermen they caught, destroying all the corals with their nature killing ships. I know that's really good for you but not for us ordinary filipinos, working class and filipino businessmen. Digong is really a loveing coward unlike Noynoy who fights like a superhero from beginning to end. May i ask you. Did noynoy win for his effort? Oh i think so because china get scared of noynoy's notoriety. Look china is already so generous to Philippines, they already gave up the spratly. Right?
Lesson: If you are not capable to fight an opponent just run away or you may get mauled. A karate novice who fights a black belter is absolutely an IDIOT!
I voted for Noynoy but later on became so disappointed. This guy knows nothing about diplomacy. LOL
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Lesson: If you are not capable to fight an opponent just run away or you may get mauled. A karate novice who fights a black belter is absolutely an IDIOT!
I understand buddy and listen we really don't disagree but I have to say, your president has way too much pride about things.. Maybe because he got deported from the U.S. that time or maybe he had some conflicts with the CIA so now he hates America, who knows.. I heard him say what you said also "They want me to fight China. It would be a total massacre.".. Understandable.. But time has come for him to swallow his pride, forget about some small differences he may have had with a small number of Americans in the past and start really building the already strong relationship between the two countries. He wants to appear to be the macho man who doesn't need America's help. But everyone needs help from time to time.. There's no shame in it. I mean, we are talking about CHINA here.. So no one is going to look down on the Philippines for accepting the help of America.
If we were talking about a street fight where the weaker person would have nothing to lose by tucking tail and running away then I would agree with you 100%.. But that's not at all what we're talking about here bro... We are talking about the sovereignty of the Philippines. Soil that belongs to FILIPINOS. That is something that you, as Filipinos, simply can not run away from. You must stand up and fight until basically either you win or you get beaten in to a pulp because frankly nothing else matters. This is your country, your land, your people. You have options. The U.S.A. has your back.
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He hates America? Oh man. That guy is so humorous talkative. I don't know if it is his tactics or whatever. Look, did you hear him complains about the presence of US back and forth to Subic, submarines, frigates and even news reporters spotted an American spy plane Poseidon roaming around the Marawi skies during the ISIS war not to mention the US marines stationed in Mindanao were observing the war. Did you hear him complaining against US? The Philippine Navy collaborated to US Navy aircraft carrier patrols in South China sea, did you hear any news of Duterte protest in any US interventions? If he hates America he will never ever talk to Trump when he was newly elected. He even admitted that he likes the policy of trump. If someone hates America he will hate all americans. Open your eyes.
Please stick to TH guys. I hate this kind of topic.
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He hates America? Oh man. That guy is so humorous talkative. I don't know if it is his tactics or whatever. Look, did you hear him complains about the presence of US back and forth to Subic, submarines, frigates and even news reporters spotted an American spy plane Poseidon roaming around the Marawi skies during the ISIS war not to mention the US marines stationed in Mindanao were observing the war. Did you hear him complaining against US? The Philippine Navy collaborated to US Navy aircraft carrier patrols in South China sea, did you hear any news of Duterte protest in any US interventions? If he hates America he will never ever talk to Trump when he was newly elected. He even admitted that he likes the policy of trump. If someone hates America he will hate all americans. Open your eyes.
Please stick to TH guys. I hate this kind of topic.
No worries... I'll just give you the last word. Thanks for chiming in
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Thank you... Peace for every one of us.
Honestly i don't hate any foreign people T hunting in our land. I know what hardships they encounter here as almost majority of them went bankrupt and worst some get killed in digging accident. The Japanese are instrumental, the Americans also are the main reason why those treasures left here so let them dig if they want. But alas is in our hands as some of few Filipinos got the opportunity to know the secret how to recover from big to small deposits. If a foreign hunter knew the secret how to locate it, well lets congratulate him. But as far as i know foreign hunters always proceed to extremely deep big loads and dangerous to dig. Lets leave that to them. 9 bars, 15 bars or 20 bars of 75 kilos in every vault is enough for us Pinoys. 3 small deposits are equivalent to 1 big BTW.
Happy hunting guys.
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Hi everyone. I just want to clarify regarding that Filipinos dont owned or have the only right on the treasure that are hidden on thier land. Like our mineral law, what is underneath your land. ( 1 meter or something). The Government has 30 percent share and the land owner will have 70% or something. That is not exactly what the rules say but atleast that is the basic. If a Foriegn TH will follow this and have an ageement with the land owner. Then it will be good. Reality since our laws here were not as strong as on the U.S. well a good deal with the land owner and a discreet operation will be much better. Permits will be jus back up.
Just my idea.
BTW How is Z?
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Duterte is such a little girl... You guys have made such an epic mistake electing this guy. Everybody knows that Chinese boat rammed the Filipino fishing vessel at Recto Bank and literally left the crew to drown in the sea like animals. And yet you still support this little pathetic weakling president. He's only good at murdering his own people in the streets. This guy has totally failed your country by surrendering your land and sea to China without even evoking the Mutual Defense Treaty. He is letting a foreign country walk all over your people, on your own land and sea, like you're all nothing but a bunch or worthless cockroaches. How any of you can still support this guy is a complete and total flabbergasting mystery to the entire world.
It is a very sad day for the Philippines. If you care at all about your children and children's children having a country they can call their own then I truly hope you can wake up from your Dutertard trance and completely reject this man's offspring when they attempt to get elected after his term. Otherwise you have handed over this land to China. A country who very clearly sees you all as lower than dirt. WAKE UP FILIPINOS! :(
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Yes you are right, he murdered criminals. But during noynoy times criminals and drug syndicates were murdering innocent people everyday and every night and that was you like. You showed us where your side is or maybe you are one of them. Did you ever forgot rhat during noynoy (the most intelligent guy) era those china sea incidents were very common and it is not done by fishermen only but including chinese militaries and oh yes noynoy did plenty of things to help harassed fishermen by complaining everywhere and it did help a lot by escalating harassment by chinese animals. They are greedy uncivilised and you can not change that forever, it is in their blood. You want to sacrifice millions by waging war in exchange of few saved souls? Did you ever saw the difference? Noynoy times chinese fishermen and militaries are doing harassments, how many boats did they sunk and most are intentional?
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Yes you are right, he murdered criminals. But during noynoy times criminals and drug syndicates were murdering innocent people everyday and every night and that was you like. You showed us where your side is or maybe you are one of them. Did you ever forgot rhat during noynoy (the most intelligent guy) era those china sea incidents were very common and it is not done by fishermen only but including chinese militaries and oh yes noynoy did plenty of things to help harassed fishermen by complaining everywhere and it did help a lot by escalating harassment by chinese animals. They are greedy uncivilised and you can not change that forever, it is in their blood. You want to sacrifice millions by waging war in exchange of few saved souls? Did you ever saw the difference? Noynoy times chinese fishermen and militaries are doing harassments, how many boats did they sunk and most are intentional?
You're just like him. Weak minded and ignorant. I guess you saw that your lover is now calling the Filipino fisherman liars and taking China's side on the issue. Even though the Vietamese crew that saved them have confirmed their story.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-17/duterte-stands-by-china-despite-pressure-over-sea-collision?fbclid=IwAR3l5iMDD7ELZnulNY8oZfldBdHF8Vtb9Y0iavLK1li8b0qfXCMz95T5sqA
There doesn't need to be a war at all you baffoon. Duterte could raise the issue at the U.N. and the rest of the international community. But that won't happen. Because his entire administration is made up of half-brained chimps, they have recently said and I quote "love the international community." They are too full of pride and little man syndrome to ask any other country for help. The entire administration is an absolute disgrace and embarressment to the Philippines and the human race in general. Those are the facts.
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I guess the forum replaced the F word with "love"
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Tninja,
Watch your language. We don't allow name calling and bad words here. Hope you can understand why.
TW
Yes you are right, he murdered criminals. But during noynoy times criminals and drug syndicates were murdering innocent people everyday and every night and that was you like. You showed us where your side is or maybe you are one of them. Did you ever forgot rhat during noynoy (the most intelligent guy) era those china sea incidents were very common and it is not done by fishermen only but including chinese militaries and oh yes noynoy did plenty of things to help harassed fishermen by complaining everywhere and it did help a lot by escalating harassment by chinese animals. They are greedy uncivilised and you can not change that forever, it is in their blood. You want to sacrifice millions by waging war in exchange of few saved souls? Did you ever saw the difference? Noynoy times chinese fishermen and militaries are doing harassments, how many boats did they sunk and most are intentional?
You're just like him. Weak minded and ignorant. I guess you saw that your lover is now calling the Filipino fisherman liars and taking China's side on the issue. Even though the Vietamese crew that saved them have confirmed their story.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-17/duterte-stands-by-china-despite-pressure-over-sea-collision?fbclid=IwAR3l5iMDD7ELZnulNY8oZfldBdHF8Vtb9Y0iavLK1li8b0qfXCMz95T5sqA
There doesn't need to be a war at all you baffoon. Duterte could raise the issue at the U.N. and the rest of the international community. But that won't happen. Because his entire administration is made up of half-brained chimps, they have recently said and I quote "love the international community." They are too full of pride and little man syndrome to ask any other country for help. The entire administration is an absolute disgrace and embarressment to the Philippines and the human race in general. Those are the facts.
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The guy said maybe I'm a drug dealer for criticizing Duterte. It reaches the point of infuriation for those who really care about the Philippines when you see these Duterte minions side with him on every issue no matter how ridiculous and damaging to the country's future. These idiots just voted a Marcos in to power because he gave them the command. Truly disgraceful...
That's fine I'm out
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Right.. got you and fully understand. That's totally not cool what he said and I agree with you on that. Let's all try to keep our cool here gentlemen.
Thank you for your understanding.
TW
The guy said maybe I'm a drug dealer for criticizing Duterte. It reaches the point of infuriation for those who really care about the Philippines when you see these Duterte minions side with him on every issue no matter how ridiculous and damaging to the country's future. These idiots just voted a Marcos in to power because he gave them the command. Truly disgraceful...
That's fine I'm out
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I would like to apologize for the name calling and insults. I was wrong. China is a moral train wreck. We can all agree on that. I only fear for the future of the Philippines and the Filipino people. You can't show them weakness because they are the type to take a mile if you give them an inch. They are absolutely ruthless. Personally I believe Duterte is actually a decent person internally but lacks the wisdom necessary to effectively deal with China and many other issues. I'll just leave it at that. Sorry again. All the best luck in the field
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yes i agree. this is total way out of line when form 113 said :
"But during noynoy times criminals and drug syndicates were murdering innocent people everyday and every night and that was you like. You showed us where your side is or maybe you are one of them."
this is totally way below the belt. if i disagree with form 113 about duterte, does that make me a drug dealer or a drug syndicate member or a criminal? that is false and outrageous logic.
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Yes, I agree also.
Anyway, I thought it was Dutarte who was having all those people related to drugs killed? It's like a wild-wild west there in the Philippines since he took office.
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yes i agree. this is total way out of line when form 113 said :
"But during noynoy times criminals and drug syndicates were murdering innocent people everyday and every night and that was you like. You showed us where your side is or maybe you are one of them."
this is totally way below the belt. if i disagree with form 113 about duterte, does that make me a drug dealer or a drug syndicate member or a criminal? that is false and outrageous logic.
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in my personal opinion, duterte is not the one who killed them directly. but he emboldened these police officers to apply and strengthen the law with regards to arresting suspects, intensify intelligence operations as to who are the pushers and users, and conduct more buy bust operations as well as arresting suspects.
for me, that is only applying the law and telling police officers to do their job. but the only fault duterte did was to announce to the whole world that he will kill those drug suspects and pushers. he has the propensity to badmouth like a cowboy telling everybody that he will shoot all the bandits when what he did in reality was to only issue directives and order police officers to intensify intelligence operations and conduct more arrest and buy bust operations. no actual killing but only paper directives (although he said he admitted killing a person before when he was a mayor).
with the lawful order of president duterte implemented by the police officers, it is really bloody. there is no pure diplomatic implementation of this directive to arrest pushers and conduct buy bust operations. the natural instinct of a criminal and worse, drug addicts, is to fight back.
you add the fact that drug addicts and users really have this sense of paranoia and are not of their right mind, these drug addicts with their unstable mind conditions would really fight back and be killed in the process. for the police officers , its either you get killed or you kill in applying the law.
as a whole, what duterte did was not deplorable. what is deplorable is if Philippines will become a narco state. as of now, the drug situation is now controllable, unlike before where almost 1/4 of the neighbors in the whole philippines either are drug users or drug pushers. it was so chaotic. but when duterte assumed office, there were so many drug users and drug pushers who have changed their ways for the better. some were killed when they were arrested and they fight back. but the point is, it is now relatively safe in almost areas in the philippines now that the drug problem is minimized.
davao used to be like that before duterte came to office. killing was so rampant. i was a little kid then like 8-10 years old. i see people being killed almost a week. we used to go to davao city and we see dead people on the streets when we go to movies. i saw a person killed also in maa, davao city. i saw a person killed in agdao, in claveria davao city. with an innocent mind, i really can understand the concept of killing even at a tender age. it was like a natural phenomenon here in davao city ( i am from the province but we go to davao city every week). when duterte came to office, he implemented the law, arrest the criminals and intensify the drug arrest operations. people get killed but those are collateral damage when you implement the law.
in just a few years, davao city became a tourist destination, known for its safe and clean environment. i saw change with my own eyes.
applying the duterte effect in the national setting, change is also felt in the national level. when people gets killed in the process, how come you only focus on the killings, and not on the law enforcement side? are we saying that in applying the law and arresting the criminals, we should not use force when the life of the police officers are on the line? when criminals fight back to evade arrest, there is really no choice but for the police officers to fight back. thus, killings are something that cannot be avoided when you implement the law. the problem with some western media is they focus on the killing side, and not on the implementation of the law side.. they sensionalize the killings even if the killings were done lawfully, and that is where the bad image of duterte is being painted. he is painted as a killer of thousands of people. but how come, 90% of the people in the whole philippines still love this bad guy named duterte? the answer is , they dont believe ABS-CBN , cnn, rapper and other western media . they believe the real story and they believe this commoner guy named duterte who delivers results and bring change.
are we saying that we should really avoid killing and let the drug dealers and users do their wanton killing ways unabated? how about the innocent children killed, girls raped , and other people killed? its still the same killing , but these time, its the innocent pople who are killed by these drug users and addicts. the killing is still there. are we for the counting of those criminals being killed because they fight back the policeman or are we for the counting of the innocent persons being killed by these drug killers? i chose the counting of these criminals and drug addicts being killed when they fight back upon being arrested, rather than the innocent killing of civilians by drug addicts.
what duterte is doing is the right thing. order the police officers to arrest the criminals, order the police to kill drug addicts if the drug addicts fight back, and solve the drug problems. for one drug addict /user being killed (only if they fight back), thousands of innocent lives are being saved. for every one drug addict /user that are being jailed, thousands of innocent lives are being saved. for every solution that duterte is doing in solving these drug problems, thousands of lives are being saved. my point is, apply the law, and kill those who will fight back. the important thing here is duterte is doing something to solve the problem while this drug problem is still manageable.
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Also if I may, i come accros reading with this.........
"Yachts carrying $100 million in cocaine. Safe houses in Hong Kong filled with gold bars. Shipments of methamphetamine from North Korea. Weapons deals with Iran. Mercenary armies in Somalia. Teams of hit men in the Philippines. Encryption programs so advanced that the government could not break them".
involvement of the Filipinos happened before the present administration :-[ :-X
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/549566/the-mastermind-by-evan-ratliff/9780399590412/
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Hi everyone. I just want to clarify regarding that Filipinos dont owned or have the only right on the treasure that are hidden on thier land. Like our mineral law, what is underneath your land. ( 1 meter or something). The Government has 30 percent share and the land owner will have 70% or something. That is not exactly what the rules say but atleast that is the basic. If a Foriegn TH will follow this and have an ageement with the land owner. Then it will be good. Reality since our laws here were not as strong as on the U.S. well a good deal with the land owner and a discreet operation will be much better. Permits will be jus back up.
Just my idea.
BTW How is Z?
Z is a live but not by much. I have spent the last 3 months going in circles with a government agency, you can speculate on that one.
As a foreigner (BTW my Mom was a Filipino, a Castilano Filipino. Her family was one of those rich white Spanish types AKA Castilano's who were destroyed in WW2 my Dad was a US service officer) so much for that. My Filipino wife was gunned down in the streets of Davoa City, the safest city in Mindanao and her body was unsuccessfully destroyed by the Davao City Police. Duterte was mayor at that time. I recovered her body in the nick of time from the police. It was a KFRG that went bad. So there for that. I don't think Dutertre is any genius but he is in a bad spot with China. Up to his eyeballs in borrowed money and financing from China and by secret post WW2 agreement signed by all involved nations, China is 40% owner of all gold in the Philippines. That is just a fact and anything that goes through the central bank, 40% belongs to and is given to China. It was stolen from China also a fact. China owns the PH. The last elections in May was more corrupt that Marcos days. All Chinese money, a lot from HK so I was told direct by the Central Bank.
So much for that. I posted a lot of "" that "" it looks like. To quote Forrest Gump, "" I'm pretty tired... I think I'll go home now. ""
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He hates America? Oh man. That guy is so humorous talkative. I don't know if it is his tactics or whatever. Look, did you hear him complains about the presence of US back and forth to Subic, submarines, frigates and even news reporters spotted an American spy plane Poseidon roaming around the Marawi skies during the ISIS war not to mention the US marines stationed in Mindanao were observing the war. Did you hear him complaining against US? The Philippine Navy collaborated to US Navy aircraft carrier patrols in South China sea, did you hear any news of Duterte protest in any US interventions? If he hates America he will never ever talk to Trump when he was newly elected. He even admitted that he likes the policy of trump. If someone hates America he will hate all americans. Open your eyes.
Please stick to TH guys. I hate this kind of topic.
Funny, that is one of the topics I exploded on this week with ABC who was blowing smoke my way about an operative there. Marawai was a foreign government operation to scare the sheet out of Duterte. Yea the USG was actors in both sides of that event.
Z
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Years ago during Pnoy time my teenage nephew was addicted to poor mans coccaine but after few years a shock]ng news stun all of us, an apartment owner reported to police that this kid commited suicide by hanging himself inside their apartment room that according to investigator it is a pot session room. In an autopsy we found out that he suffered beating that left several markings in his arm and legs suggesting that he tried to save himself and fought his killers. He was strangled to death by only one reason HE WANTS TO QUIT THAT SUBSTANCE AS HE WAS ABOUT TO GO TO COLLEGE DURING THAT TIME. Exposing one self to drug personalities is a booby trap. This is an everyday events during that time and plenty were not reported to media including my nephew.
The reasin why i was so happy when i heard duterte's winning of the presidential seat. I just said to myself GO KILL THEM ALL, IF YOU ARE A DEMON SENT TO SAVE THE REMAINING GOOD PEOPLE I WILL CONSIDER YOU AS AN ANGEL!
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Duterte did a decent job as mayor.. Doing terribly as president. Manila is going down the tubes and is even much more of a total sh*t hole these days.. He's not even protecting your territory.. I get it that you guys lived through hard times in Davao and saw Duterte clean it up by dropping people out of helicopters and mowing them down with machine guns.. Understood. Point is now that he's president, he's not even defending your own land and sea. That's treason.
"The fish could be from China': Sotto sees no problem with allowing Chinese fishers in PH waters" --- these people are dumb as a sack of rocks, you must know this..
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/06/27/19/the-fish-could-be-from-china-sotto-sees-no-problem-with-allowing-chinese-fishers-in-ph-waters
Again, Duterte did clean up Davao using whatever methods.. Now he is president and his rule is turning in to a total disaster.
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https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/06/27/1929977/us-dared-help-philippines-stop-china
So why does he continue to set aside the results of the tribunal against China? He should keep pushing the international community instead of crying about being too weak to fight China. Its just cowardly.. Sorry guys, i have interests here. To see him just give up like this and turn against his own people, calling the fishermen liars and giving China a free pass to come and loot the Philippine seas while people over here are living in some of the worst poverty conditions on planet earth.. It really is infuriating. Nothing against you all
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It's easy to be a bully in Davao City but another thing once you get beyond a small place. That does not work on the world stage. Trump is doing the same thing. Big hopes when he started but now he is obviously a dumb jerk. I wish we had Putin. An intelligent, articulate, educated and fair man. By comparison.
Z
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/06/27/1929977/us-dared-help-philippines-stop-china
So why does he continue to set aside the results of the tribunal against China? He should keep pushing the international community instead of crying about being too weak to fight China. Its just cowardly.. Sorry guys, i have interests here. To see him just give up like this and turn against his own people, calling the fishermen liars and giving China a free pass to come and loot the Philippine seas while people over here are living in some of the worst poverty conditions on planet earth.. It really is infuriating. Nothing against you all
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Guys just because Duterte managed to improve the situation in Davao and has continued his "method" of blowing people's brains out in the streets as president, doesn't mean he should be given a free pass to wreck the country's sovereignty. I just read he's threatening to throw people in jail if they try to impeach him over this, even though he is clearly . This guy is a barbarian!
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/06/27/19/subukan-niyo-duterte-threatens-to-jail-those-planning-to-file-impeachment-case
You can't just eternally fall in love with the guy because he made your city safer or "he reminds you of your lolo" and let him throw your country's sovereignty out the window. His administration has proven they have no backbone when dealing with China.. Its dumbfounding that some Filipinos can maintain blind support for this guy as he so clearly betrays your country. Don't you want your kids and grand kids to have a country they can call their own? Guys I promise you that you do not want a future where China is dominating the Philippines. I spent a lot of time in China in different cities. Not only are the Chinese very very different from you and how you like to live your lives. But the Hon Chinese are extremely RACIST. You are considered sub-human creatures to them. Just look at how they left your fishermen to drown in the sea!
If you want to continue your treasure hunting endeavors, you should be resisting Duterte's cowardly approach to China with all your might. In China, Chinese citizens can't even own property. Do you think you would be permitted to go apply for a treasure hunting permit if China took over? Do you think you could have your secret operations with Chinese drones swarming the skies?
Help me understand, if you're willing.
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In the upper paragraph i meant to say he is clearly violating the constitution by letting the Chinese come and fish in your seas.
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You guys better wise up. I'm telling you right now. It is time to get wise folks. Clearly something very odd is going on between Duterte and Xi Jinping. There are things we do not know. ZOBEX could be right about the gold. Why else would Duterte surrender so easily like this? Don't say the Philippines is a small country and too weak to fight China.. That's all a big load of bullsh*t. If he really wanted to he could have the U.S. Navy sweep in here like a typhoon and kick all those Chinese bastards out of your seas within a matter of hours. There is something we don't know guys.. Get wise
https://youtu.be/ENJ5BKBiJ3k
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There is something else you people should understand. These islands, contested small atoll and such are rich in gas, oil and other minerals plus fish which is food. BUT this was also a dumping ground for box's of gold bars and such. When shipping to Japan became a problem and the Philippines was starting to be a problem, the IJN started dumping gold in easy to come back and easy to re-locate ocean spots. Yup, atolls and small islands, even water off shore or in small shallow reefs. Remember when the American mine sweeper was caught going aground all by it self ? ? What does mine sweepers look for in the middle of no where ? ? AAAHHHHH metalic gold ! ! ! So they ground a ship on the spot and then call in an American salvage ship operation for months. Gee, gold.
So China is starting to take over the dumping grounds. That was told told to me back in 1988 by Yamashita's last surviving right hand man. He asked I go with him and he would point out the dumping sites. He died I recall in 2001.
Z
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Just an FYI
https://www.rt.com/news/462939-duterte-impeach-jail-critics/
An Impeachment is an investigation not a trial. If the Impeachment produces sufficient evidence to go to trial then a Trial follows. So he does not want any official investigation into his actions with China.
You guys better wise up. I'm telling you right now. It is time to get wise folks. Clearly something very odd is going on between Duterte and Xi Jinping. There are things we do not know. ZOBEX could be right about the gold. Why else would Duterte surrender so easily like this? Don't say the Philippines is a small country and too weak to fight China.. That's all a big load of bullsh*t. If he really wanted to he could have the U.S. Navy sweep in here like a typhoon and kick all those Chinese bastards out of your seas within a matter of hours. There is something we don't know guys.. Get wise
https://youtu.be/ENJ5BKBiJ3k
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We seemed to forget history -that Roosevelt had to sacrifice Pearl Harbor just to ensure piblic support for a war vs. Japan . In a war by US vs. China as a request by the Philippine govt. will Congress ratify it? You know the answer. Don't forget , the US abandoned us when we claimed Sabah because Britain supported Malaysia (a territory far better than the West Philippine sea) even if we have territorial claims in it. Well the UNCLOS was awarded us the West Philippine sea as exclusive economic zone (not territory) but the problem was that in the said decision, NOBODY was tasked to enforce it. AS OF THIS WRITING, WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE ENFORCER...NOBODY CAME FORWARD!!
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2019/07/philippines-faces-call-inquiry-war-drugs-killings-190705085027566.html
Duterte's rabid dogs murder a 3 year old girl in cold blood. Duterte's rabid senator says "Sh*t happens". Duterte's lover boys and girls who secretly masturbate to his photos across the nation say "I will support him to the end of time, because he is really a good man, you just don't understand him." ...
When will it all end folks?
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Interesting post and I agree for the most part.
Though it seems a strange question, since it was technically stolen and put there by 'foreigners' in the first place.
That is one thing that makes treasure hunting so unique and fun, anyone can do it, from any corner of the earth, from any class of society, age of race; rich or poor, black or white, good and bad - fishermen to businessmen, rice farmers up to the president, all do it. though so few ever find any treasure.
Yes, you're right about a lot of the Gold coming from Europe, and America, most of this was re-smelted and re-stamped in the Burma refinery, which was British owned, Before, During and After the war. You see, this was a global planned event which included people from around the world at the highest levels of monarchy, military and corporate. Those would be the same British/European banking consortium who own the US federal reserve, which began shipping gold out of U.S. and into Europe in the early 30s.... you see the chess board was being set, well in advance to the war. This is how they plan any of their global events, and why they seem so damn well organised.
Disagreed on the Submarine Blockade, there is much more to that story than most people talk about. The plan to bury this in the Philippines came years before the war ever began. It was fairly neutral territory, The emperor never had intentions to bring the treasure all the way, as to keep it from falling into the hands of his opposing Japanese Parliament. They did assume above all else that the Philippines could remain under Japanese military control, but they were of course wrong. but that has not stopped their recovery efforts.
So yeah it's really a 'finders keepers' game generally. does not matter where you're from. but then again if you're not careful you can lose it to one of the many groups out there waiting to relieve you of it, Filipinos and foreigners.
A good friend of mine once told me there are 3 types of TH - The Hunter, The Finder and The Keeper.
Those who hunt don't always find and those who find don't always keep. Trick is to become all 3.
I've had good and bad experiences working with filipinos here, just like i've had good and bad experiences with foreigners here, an asshole is an asshole whatever color you paint it.
Japanese arrogantly believe it all belongs to them, which is why they're sooo reluctant to speak to anyone else, apart from locals whom they generally control and keep at arms length during a project.
But then again since technically the Philippines was U.S. soil after they kicked out the Spanish, and was still U.S. soil during the Japanese era up until just after the war. So techincally the treasure was all buried on American Soil. That is why the american powers see it as theirs.
Not to mention China, who I'm told a majority of the Treasure actually came from.
So it's all a bit of a conundrum really.
I'd just try and weave my way through the petty conflicts and political ambitions and try to find even just an ammo box of coins or a bar.
When we drop the flags and erase the borderlines, we are really all just one people after all. But so many obstacles have been designed to divide us and turn our attention away from the truth.
Proud to say I've had more good times than bad working with people out here, american and filipino, and many of those friendships are what I will always treasure.
Just reading this post.
YES, the 'Philippine Islands' are still technically and legally American Soil. WHAT does he say ? ? The USA illegitimately attacked the Spanish Realm and out of extortion forced Spain to sell, among other lands, the Philippine Archipelago to the USA. Now if you examine the actual verbage of what was done, the land was purchased with American citizen money and was then the purchased property of the USA. Now how does this play out. Since it was adopted in as American Soil, it became well American soil and sovereign to the USA people. By American law, sovereign soil can not be released from the people without that being ratified by the then 48 States of the Union. While the American Congress can and the President Emancipate a group of people and in this case Congress Emancipated the people living in the islands, Congress could vote on relinquishing the land for the relinquish must be ratified by the 48 states. That ratification was never done.
THAT was an issue one of your own heros had stressed hard but the independence movement would not listen to him. Hilaro Moncado, an American educated lawyer and the trustee to the Dr. Rizal estate and that was a lot of money, had tried to convince the Filipinos to move for commonwealth status in the USA like Puerto Rico did. That way the Filipinos could be culturally among themselves yet retain American citizenship. But NO, so in the end ------. Back after 1898 people living in the islands had the option to acquire Spanish citizenship, obtain American commonwealth status or go independent. Some retained Spanish citizenship but residence of the acquired assets of the USA.
This is not a detail correct description of the events because it would take me two pages to explain. I know a bit about this because Hilaro Moncado was a law clerk in my Great Uncles law firm in Los Angeles, California. My Uncles helped him get into and out of law school and in the beginning put him into their firm right after his graduation. Then WW2 came and so on.
NOW according to the USG Military command in the Pentagon, since the ratification never took place, our military holds that the soil of the Philippines and the surrounding seas are still under the command of the US Military. AND that is how they lay claim secretly to all the gold bunkers and deposits in the islands. It was put there while it was American soil and it is still American soil. The USN lays jurisdiction to all the waters and up to 50 feet above maximum high tide level. This is why the USG installs every Philippine President, Estrada was thrown out because he got into power before they could stop him. So he was tossed out. Look at Grace Poe, raised by the CIA.
So to keep China from invading the Philippines and grabbing the gold, Nukes were brought to the islands in 1948 and remain to this date.
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Wow... that's VERY Interesting! I had no idea and I'm sure most Filipino's don't know about this small fact also.
TW
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A member of this forum and its purpose is to exchange as much as posibble here I like to give mhy comment on this topic .I can say from biggining that we all lucky that Treasure Hunting is alowed at all in Philipins big up to the smily nations . Immagine all this gold and then like in Egypt or other countries it is strictly forbbiden :o ohhh what an tragedy that will be .....Now regarding to Spanish and Americans you guys ar brutal and like to conquer other nations it is in your gynes to do so ......very little you can do about it it is genetic .Now Philipinos are at home it is they are land not yours you and Spanish come to conquer one a nother nothing els we all know it .No one ask you to fight Spanish and cleim later what ever that you claim .This is Pilipins and it is they are land not yours not Spanish .Now about the gold and rights hmmmm sinds Philipins alow all of us to Thunt on they are land are you guys not happy with 25 procent ?? Immagine you finde a dicent amound of bars if you have an attitude of keepin more then 25 pocent then in the forst place you should not involve your self in .......your start is all ready gready and dearty .........it is not for nothing that some of you ending up in trubbles .An Philipino in USA or Spain must play and live buy the rulles but you you not you think you can do what you want and hiw you want any where at any time just because you are American or Spanish ...... ??? ??? ???I am not sayin that Philipinos have total right but what this little smiling people did after all brutality you all did on they are land they still alow Thunting and they still are wiling to revord you all F....g bigg 25 procent .So in my opinion you better all do not talk to much but obey the law earn you part fearly give what is not yours and continu with your life not bodering where the rest go because it is absolutly non of your consern .With no offence do I make my point just a beat ? I do I knoew and you do so the Philipino too they are not stupid as treated .The rights are split to 75/25 take it or live it ......no one have a gun pointed in your head forsing you to Thunt on Philipins you can go to USA Spain and UK and hunt there if you dont like .Peace to all ..........WIND ;)
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That 25 percent is for Private Property. Maybe the Phils Government is asking for a higher amount on Public Property.
Well, if you can manage to find some treasure maybe it's better to just keep quiet and keep 100 Percent. What do you think?
TW
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When I analise public story and war history and then look at the real story behinde all I can contribute in this topic is thet America is a bigg armed gang
it was and it will be for ever . Those people do not care about no one ......ones they lock up a potential target they will not stop an till they got it .So yea you guys really have to see it from a birth perspective ..........Americans without war would not exist and this is fackt .Now in case of Philipin liberation from Japs hmmmm come on guys they simply jump in and took this golden oportunity to get as much as possible gold for them selfs .Of corse Americans where daying this is after all and point ! No one sayed it is going to be easy to stole such tremendes amound of gold without casualties
It is just a little bigger group of gangsters riping of other gangsters what els ?
I mean I finde some things very simphatetic about Americans that almost I can say they robe you with a style .And then they make milions movies about it where they make even more money hahahaahaha.........clever they are .
I mean even if I would finde truck full of gold .....I mean be realistic its like finding your own gray hahahaahaa.............what would I do with it ?
means small man small deposit .....big guys big deposits .......I guess there is a planty for all .....
I belive my amunition crate with gold bars is waithing for me and is calling me to come and colect it ...........so yea
Hello my fellow treasure hunters. I hope you are all experiencing progress towards your goals. Here I was hoping we could discuss the attitude of Filipinos in regards to foreigners who come to search for treasure in the Philippines. Maybe we could have an open discussion where "anything goes" in the spirit of constructive/informative dialogue if the moderators would allow.
To all Filipino treasure hunters I ask this question...
How do you feel about foreigners coming to the Philippines to search for Yamashita's treasure?
Please feel free to open up and express your inner most thoughts and feelings about the topic.
Since I have posed the question I will answer it also.
Personally, my attitude is that the treasure actually does not belong to any of us since it was clearly ripped from the hands of its owners during the bloodbath of WW2. After that the real owners were lost to history. I even read that a lot of the gold actually came from Europe and was re-smelted in Singapore with hallmarks of less powerful nations to avoid future reclamation. I understand some Filipinos feel they have 100% rights to the treasure because it is now buried in the Philippines and all foreigners should be prevented from any of it. But frankly speaking, if it was not for foreigners fighting and dying during WW2, the Philippines would not be the Philippines right now. It would be conquered land under the control of Japan. So in other words, Filipinos would never have a inkling of hope at recovering any of Yamashita's gold if it were not for foreigners fighting and dying to save them from the Japanese. You could say that the Americans are actually the reason the treasure was buried here in the first place. It was American submarines that formed the blockade in the South China Sea and prevented the Japanese from transporting all the loot back to Japan.
So with all that being said, my opinion is that we all have a claim to the treasure. There should not be any negativity about foreigners in the Philippines helping Filipinos recover the loot. So let us work together to retrieve the treasures left behind as a result of the blood sacrifices our ancestors made long ago.
Please feel free to disagree if you have conflicting views.
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Good post and I agree with you 100%. Let's see what the other treasure hunters have to say about this.
Personally, I have been asked countless times by Filipino treasure hunters to assist them either with equipment or financially so if they are asking assistance so many, many times they I guess they don't have any harsh feelings against Americans? I hope not.
TW
If the follow the rules,permits etc,respect the locals, and dont create a gold fever then its pkay with me. 😁