The Southeast Asian Treasure Connection
YAMASHITA'S / WW2 TREASURE => General Yamashita's Treasure Questions & Info => Topic started by: Janner on April 23, 2010, 06:01:54 AM
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Just found this..........
Among the ``major'' treasure sites which the soldiers, who now formed the ``Forgotten Claimants of Yamashita,'' had dug up were in Caliraya in Cavinti-Lumban, Laguna; Baras and Teresa in Rizal province; Montalban caves in Montalban, Rizal; Montalban Mascat; Sitio Mayagay, Sampaloc in Tanay, Rizal; Fort Bonifacio Tunnel; Fort Bonifacio hospital; the area of the Manpower and Youth building; Bastion de San Lorenzo in Fort Santiago; Muņoz in Nueva Ecija; Balok bridge, also in Nueva Ecija; site of the Central Luzon State University statue in Muņoz; Sta. Fe in Nueva Vizcaya; Campo 4 in San Jose, Nueva Vizcaya; and San Mateo in Rizal province.
According to them, the Japanese army units had subdivided the treasures they brought into the country and buried them in places classified as major and minor treasure sites. The Japanese allegedly used the Manila Railroad Co. to transport the treasures.
Major or minor treasure sites depended on the ``suitability, concealment, permanency and location of man-made, built-up areas, mountainous and/ or rolling hills, terrain with creeks, rivers, dams, big acacia, mango, camachile or duhat trees that serve as references for future retrieval of said treasure deposits,'' the soldiers' said.
This excludes the four, six, eight or more pieces of gold bars usually found underneath big acacia or mango trees where they had been stashed by low-ranking Japanese soldiers while their superior officers were not looking.
In some of the major treasure sites, the soldiers even found skeletons still wearing their tattered uniforms and helmets, and with their swords beside them.
In Fort Santiago alone, there were more than 100 boxes of treasures which the soldiers found buried under the old torture chamber, Bastion de San Lorenzo, which is just near the Pasig River.
Any body ever read this before...??????
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Yea, that's interesting.
Well I did see this Soldier of Fortune article some years ago in the PDI newspaper; http://www.tseatc.com/soldier.html
TW
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that excerpt of mine is pretty much the same as yours....but i had never seen it before....
make one wonder though..??
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Right guys that's why I always say when somebody said about treasure sites ask for the;
1.) History of the place
2.) How and what is the mode of transportation
3.) How is it possible they can transport thousands of tons in a remote place or mountain?
4.) How possible they can dig 40 - 60 -100 feet deep tunnel while when you are digging it take you several months or years figuring where the heck is the gold encountering unbreakable solid boulders or hardened ground.
5.) How and where did they get those tons of cements or clays or lime to block the mouth of the cave?
6.) Will they be doing all these kind of concealment procedures just by hand labor and tools alone to bury only pieces of gold bars. Is it worth the effort?
7.) Are they that dumb or wise or practical to go to all these hardship with the thought of future retrieval?
8.) Have you ever witness a Japanese or heard they are after these tunnels, that caves suspected of thousands of tons of gold bar. How was it possible for them to transport it very easily including tons of cement, lime etc.?
9.) Why all stories and witnesses I heard that all a Japanese do is dig sometimes just for hours or a a few week and retrieved without hardship. No breaking big cemented boulders, No breaking of wall tunnels.
Will I still believed all those treasure maps or they are a Hoax made by the Japanese to confused the real burial ground. The more the treasure map is complicated and detailed with hundred tons of gold shown buried the more the Treasure Hunter hunger and salivate for the possibility not knowing they are just decoys.
Will it be just they buried bones, left over and other interesting object to attract and confused future THunters.
Will it be that the real burials are under or in churches, cemeteries, and simple and uncomplicated places like existing underground shelters, or places that can be easily retrieved to enter and exit and no need to decipher complicated signs and symbols that they alone know the meaning while they know they'll die with it.
Well I think you have to ask why then how then it is possible, practical. or is it dumb?
Santa Roma is rumored that he is a CIA some say he is a Vatican Agent, the latter is the most logical for me. Cause it is also rumored that all the treasure he retrieved came from treasures hidden on churches and church properties like cemeteries and Friar Convents and Spanish houses not on caves and tunnels and rivers and mountains.
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treasures buried in 1945 is usually not more than 10 ft.
...some are just under 3 ft
...some under big rock
...some inside the hole of big rock back filled wt snd
...some inside the trunk-hole of big mango tree
...some inside small natural opening on high cliff
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So why so many questions here digging already 10-20-40ft others I hear even 80 feet deep? Cliff tunnel/Cave. Cave hidden in the middle of the Jungle up high in the Cordilleras, Cave with small entrances, carve stone, hole in the stone, turtles, x, etc...etc..etc.. after 2-5-10-30yrs still digging the same spot?
Why was it very easy how Japanese and few filipino captives maybe 50 or 100 carried tons and tons of precious metals with food 3x daily for 200 people (assumed) including armaments bullets, water, utensils, digging equipments? How still they where able to carry other tons of load and bring it up the mountain?. Cement, limes, mixing water/liquid, Chemicals at side of the cliff, deep inside on a waterfall entrance? using only manual tools, primitive tools.
How? why? possible? dumb or smart of them to do that hardship?
How far is the Japanese vessel from that place? Is there a Rail road leading to that place? where are the Japanese 6x6 military trucks that carried those tons of gold bars. If not around did they walk carrying tons and tons along the way?
Mind bugling, Are thos map of yours still say what they are? Or are they just sketches to confused to believed that really it is there. MD's, dowsing, Third-fourth eye, Birds eye, Isometrics, Triangulation, or is it STRANGULATION.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
DISCLAIMER: This is not to discourage, to prevent and to believe every written word, not for argumentation, debate or opinion. This Is only for your THOUGHTS to digest.
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treasures buried in 1945 is usually not more than 10 ft.
...some are just under 3 ft
...some under big rock
...some inside the hole of big rock back filled wt snd
...some inside the trunk-hole of big mango tree
...some inside small natural opening on high cliff
Takara san, Benjo wa, dokodeska neh! So, did you find any treasure where you said they were hidden ?
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takara,
you mean to say that yt is burried at 10 ft, maybe for giveaways but not for volume deposit. my mentor retrieved 250 pcs gb at 120 ft deep and currently digging major site at 280 ft deep for 5 years now and already on the finishing stage. digging yt is painstaking and hard labor and it involves money.
regrds
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to my beloved mentor,
in memory of my beloved mentor who just pass away at the age of 84 yrs old. a veteran yth since 1969. a very humble,nice and loving person. thank you for the wisdom and knowledge that i leaned from you. rest in peace.
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In defense to TAKARA
He did not say he discovered or retrieved even a single one nor witness anyone.
He just mentioned how deep, where, and how.
The same to people who say 250 ft 280 ft deep still digging.
But why did not ask a very intriguing question?
My bad, Have to go before this forum to be lock...
Freedom of speech gone no more if ideas they do not agree.
ADIOS...
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Maskara,
I would like to answer some of your questions to be best of my knowledge...some I don't know the answer....ask the japs ;D
1) How and what is the mode of transportation?
They used everything...carabao cart, cart, vehicles. horses, by foot, train...etc.
2)How is it possible they can transport thousands of tons in a remote place or mountain?
Bcoz the Japs and their slaves/workers...are by several thousands also when they encamp in that area.
3) How possible they can dig 40 - 60 -100 feet deep tunnel while when you are digging it take you several months or years figuring where the heck is the gold encountering unbreakable solid boulders or hardened ground.
Some deep tunnel have been dug up decades earlier...as early as 1915.
ex: When Maj. Gen. Inami Murakami (Cliffhanger grandpa) went to Mindanao it was 1915. Most japs went to Mindanao as early as 1900's as miner, pineapple plantation worker. In Binondo there are Chinese, In davao there were japanese already. Mr. Murakami went up here as young engineer built several mining tunnels in Mindanao, opening roads and stuff. Meaning as early as 1915, they are already preparing for WW2, since they are unprepared for WW1...they secretly prepared for WW2 as early as 1915.
When WW2 broke out...to the surprised of Murakamis neighbors in Davao...he wore a Japs uniform...and supervised the burials of treasures in Tunnel in Mindanao which he dug up several years earlier.
Meaning they have been digging tunnel decades earlier disguised as mining....during the war, they just put treasure in there and closed it.
4) How and where did they get those tons of cements or clays or lime to block the mouth of the cave?
Blocking the mouth of the cave doesn't needs tons of cement....all they do is brought some cement...and get some rocks, gravel and sand in that area....or barred down the entire cave opening.
5)Will they be doing all these kind of concealment procedures just by hand labor and tools alone to bury only pieces of gold bars. Is it worth the effort?
Those who bury a few pieces of gold bars...are those being looted by foot soldiers and bury it underneath tree...boulder and stuff. Yan yong malilit na bara na kinupit nila at binaon. The big vol treasure were buried by batallion...
6) Are they that dumb or wise or practical to go to all these hardship with the thought of future retrieval?
Of course they are wise and hardworking enough to do be able to that...
7) Have you ever witness a Japanese or heard they are after these tunnels, that caves suspected of thousands of tons of gold bar. How was it possible for them to transport it very easily including tons of cement, lime etc.?...a lot of times...they used several business alibis to penetrate the areas...JICA (Japan Int'l Cooperation Agency)...a Jap-Phil poverty alleviation projects that built roads (to get treasure from roads), built dams(to get treasure from waterfalls), mining/logging (to get treasure from caves/tunnels)...etc...Mitsubishi, Sumitumo...and other big construction,mining companies...
8)Why all stories and witnesses I heard that all a Japanese do is dig sometimes just for hours or a a few week and retrieved without hardship. No breaking big cemented boulders, No breaking of wall tunnels.
...For very big vol sites like caves/tunnels....usually they did not use the main entrance which is usally barred down or with booby traps....usually have a secret entrance/exit within the area....that needs only few hours to open and enter to the treasure chamber.
I hope it answer some of your YTH questions.
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So why so many questions here digging already 10-20-40ft others I hear even 80 feet deep? Cliff tunnel/Cave. Cave hidden in the middle of the Jungle up high in the Cordilleras, Cave with small entrances, carve stone, hole in the stone, turtles, x, etc...etc..etc.. after 2-5-10-30yrs still digging the same spot?
Why was it very easy how Japanese and few filipino captives maybe 50 or 100 carried tons and tons of precious metals with food 3x daily for 200 people (assumed) including armaments bullets, water, utensils, digging equipments? How still they where able to carry other tons of load and bring it up the mountain?. Cement, limes, mixing water/liquid, Chemicals at side of the cliff, deep inside on a waterfall entrance? using only manual tools, primitive tools.
How? why? possible? dumb or smart of them to do that hardship?
How far is the Japanese vessel from that place? Is there a Rail road leading to that place? where are the Japanese 6x6 military trucks that carried those tons of gold bars. If not around did they walk carrying tons and tons along the way?
Mind bugling, Are thos map of yours still say what they are? Or are they just sketches to confused to believed that really it is there. MD's, dowsing, Third-fourth eye, Birds eye, Isometrics, Triangulation, or is it STRANGULATION.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
DISCLAIMER: This is not to discourage, to prevent and to believe every written word, not for argumentation, debate or opinion. This Is only for your THOUGHTS to digest.
Simple...they used thousands of manpower,vehicles and stay there for months and years.
.....ex: Djakarta Tunnel.....a division of Japs soldiers for 3 years using military vehicles went inside/out of that tunnel, so you could have just imagine how much treasure load they can put in there for 3 years if you have division of Japs soldiers.
If the Japs were able to INVADE ASIAN COUNTRIES EASILY LIKE FALLING DOMINOES....built thousand planes, ships, submarines, tanks, etc,etc.....and you think hiding treasure is difficult for them to do? ;Dhehehe believe me, that is the easiest assignment for them to do rather than invading countries, oks?
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My bad, Have to go before this forum to be lock...
Freedom of speech gone no more if ideas they do not agree.
ADIOS...
Excuse me? Where is Freedom of speech gone and no more if ideas they do not agree?
TW
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TW sir, why not as Janner he already closed some forums? Complain about unnecessary topics but those are the Topics he been creating, He again created another topic thinking that people like me just go there and vent, argue.
Why do you have to destroy your own site while we are here just to change ideas, off topic or not.
Why not ask Janner I never say invectives but seems every time if they do not agree with their line of thinking they twist my words interpret it literally as argumentative, hurling an accusation all sorts of mud they can throw trying to clamp me down.
A guy here lately made a very negative comment, just did not like my joke. Some guys here say much more critical than mine but it's alright with you guys, WHY PICK ON ME?
Why not ask yourself you did a few times try to clamp me down.
I admire Gboy,,, throw him something he do not react very critical but answers them in details. He is interpret things in a very mature understanding manner he is not a literal comprehension reader. He can comprehend.
DISCLAIMER: Not a complaint, never did I, Not to be taken as argumentation, Not for debate, just answering your;
EXCUSE ME?......Freedom of speech.
Just passing by....and picking only subject concerning me........ ADIOS AMIGO.
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MasKara,
If Janner closed or locked a forum topic then so be it. I stand behind him 100%. Some topics seem to really be able to get 'out of hand' (meaning; bad words and things easily written there) very quick so maybe Janner thought that was either happening or about to happen so saw the need to take some action quickly.
No one is 'perfect' here. Not Me, or Janner or Boylara or MasKara or Gener or any of us so sometimes maybe we act too quickly (or too slowly) but the fact is that sometimes (as Moderators) we do have to use our own judgment and act. This is just to at least TRY and keep it Civil here between all the members.
Sorry if you feel that we are specifically picking on you, Maskara, but I can tell you 100% that this is not our intentions at all.. and we DO apologize if that seems to be the case. In the end we just want everyone to be happy here and to hopefully also find some good info here so we can find some treasure and feed our families and friends.
Peace to us all.
TW
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The object of the 2 additional threads, was so that we (I), do not have to hunt all over the site to moderate posts that contain Profanity, insults and arguments.
They are all in one place. And by the way, this was a request by various and numerous members.
Now other threads are free from all that nonsense and can get on with the topic thats headed there...
The laugh/joke section speaks for itself.
The object of the idea is to try and clean up this site, make it run more smoother and more attractive to potential members, as threads with continuous moaning and groaning, off topic long winded speeches really are not attractive at all.
So, the job that I have, is one of Moderating, both members and the site. Sometimes its quite hard cleaning up without offending members.
But I will do the job required and hope that the members will see "why" i did whatever i have done, and that it was for the good of the site, and not a personal sleight against any member here.
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Well said and thank you, brother!
TW