The Southeast Asian Treasure Connection

YAMASHITA'S / WW2 TREASURE => Compass Watch Discussions => Topic started by: Commando on September 20, 2010, 04:45:30 PM

Title: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: Commando on September 20, 2010, 04:45:30 PM
This is the treasure map of Mark59. I found this while browsing in this forum. You can see again the importance of midpoint tree marker again to get the 10 0'clock angle. Once you get the 10 0'clock angle, the best site to get first is the 8 0'clock angle. Always get the 8 0'clock treasure site first.
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: Janner on September 20, 2010, 06:12:33 PM
Now i dont get this at all..the map in  question shows all the alleged places and yet your theory does not,

but if the map says its here and there, why do we need your theory...?

and one more, it looks like your just laying on the map, at your convenience, a diagram that is made to fit..?

and prior to you coming to this forum your design has never been seen before...why not..? ::)

and also prior to you coming to this forum people managed quite well without your design. ..how come ?

so.. a few questions that i hope you dont mind answering....

Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: jin on September 20, 2010, 06:49:19 PM
Please enlighten me coz am really confuse regarding on how to treat or read that map in a certain degrees with your diagram on it.. Of course, when we have a reading material infront of us, we will read it in a very convenient way.  In your case, how come that the map is tilted a certain degrees just to fit your diagram? Wouldn't it be more credible if the diagram is placed in accordance with the map?

Thanks..
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: Janner on September 20, 2010, 07:01:24 PM
I watched you in the forum for 20 minutes Mr Commando,
and you didnt even bother to look at your OWN Topics and answer the legitimate questions posted there......

Instead as per usual your logged out instead of replying.........

so.....get your act together and reply to your topics for the members. !!!
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: Janner on September 20, 2010, 08:01:15 PM
wow i am impressed, you have ignored my questions now that were posted at 6.12pm, that is
definitely not the way to treat members here......especially when they are legitimate questions.

"Jin" got his reply, but mine..................  ::)

ok, it works both ways you know,
have to keep an eye on you from now on with that attitude.

and of course there will be even more questions now...... ;)

Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: t_hunter44 on September 21, 2010, 04:49:21 AM
Please enlighten me coz am really confuse regarding on how to treat or read that map in a certain degrees with your diagram on it.. Of course, when we have a reading material infront of us, we will read it in a very convenient way.  In your case, how come that the map is tilted a certain degrees just to fit your diagram? Wouldn't it be more credible if the diagram is placed in accordance with the map?

Thanks..

Jin

Always remember that when you survey, north should always be straight in front of you vertically. You must tilt the map to get the correct angle/ orientation of the clock compass. Now if you found the midpoint marker and the 10 0'clock angle. Then that's the time to get the 8 o'clock angle treasure. I hope you understand my compass bearing in the illustrations below

Commando, you have a weird way of looking at things. I have seen Left Handed people write and how they position the paper, You must be Left Handed. That Compass Clock that you have, it does not know where is East, South, West or NORTH. Why not just lay down that map for us Normal people to see and then position your Compass Clock with the 12:00 o"clock positioned North, simple, not complicated at all. Now, looking at your sample, you stated to go for the 8 o'clock angle treasure while the map itself says 16 bars Sumatra Gold under a Bamboo and another 8 bars Sumatra next to a tree and I do not see anything by your 8 o'clock angle treasure. >:( Oh I get it now, whoever made the map was trying to lead the treasure hunter to those marked places and the true location is actually on the 8 o"clock dot location, very deceiving Japanese and it takes another Japanese to decipher the map, ops, you're not Japanese but from Davao, only thinks like a deceiving Japanese. I think I'll go Fly a Kite or Jump into the Lake, anybody wants to join me, got an extra kite and the Lake is big enough. ;D
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: Commando on September 21, 2010, 08:30:35 AM
Janner

but if the map says its here and there, why do we need your theory...?

My theory was originated from all Japanese clock map. At first, I had a hard time to understand why most Japanese map had a clock. I tried to apply it in my treasure site and I discovered that the orientation of two trees were 10 0'clock or 60 degrees northwest. So, I made my assumptions that this two trees were the 10 0'clock hand of the clock. I made another assumption again that the other tree was the middle of the clock or midpoint marker. Then, from the midpoint marker, I used a rope like a clock hand to get the 8 0'clock angle. Finally our group found signs and markers. That's the start of our success.  Then so on to other clock orientation presented in Japanese map clock.
One thing also, all Japanese map does not give the distance of the exact treasure site from it's tree markers. It's you who will make the measurement to get the exact distance and angles. It's simple as like you are Playing a big clock hand to locate the treasure.
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: Janner on September 21, 2010, 12:38:09 PM
aha, 1 question answered.....which is just full of assumptions, yet you were successful you say?
Of course you are able to show pics of your success, you know to validate your theory to all the members..?

oh yes how do you compensate for your compass,
 as the North on the map is GRID North and a compass is MAGNETIC NORTH...... ???

Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: Corel on September 21, 2010, 01:13:58 PM
I am now confuse... first we got NS with his I-saw-metric with all those dots.. now we got the CC which points to a blank spot wherein on the map it already shows where to grab the items.. which is which ::)... gosh I need some caffeine fix.. ;D
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: t_hunter44 on September 21, 2010, 01:44:17 PM
aha, 1 question answered.....which is just full of assumptions, yet you were successful you say?
Of course you are able to show pics of your success, you know to validate your theory to all the members..?

oh yes how do you compensate for your compass,
 as the North on the map is GRID North and a compass is MAGNETIC NORTH...... ???


And the Compass Clock has 12 o'clock manual maneuvering North,  ::), as it is a Clock, still.
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: MARK59 on October 27, 2010, 04:30:33 AM
hello i am mark59 from zamboanga peninsula mindanao.actually we have a map from HANNIL CONSTRUCTION ninakaw yan nang kasama namin kasi engnr.sha nang construction. anybody has interested?payag ako 50/50 .bastat tunlongan nyo lang kami.thnks GOD BLESS PO.
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: orodelpiedra on November 01, 2010, 11:35:54 AM
Map on paper or screen should always have the magnetic north on top for easy understanding especially if we are going to compare it to a clock which we are used to see with the twelve o'clock on top. Since the original diagram/sketch is somehow tilted, so Commando rotated it a bit counter clockwise to put its magnetic north on top of our screen, from that, we can see that the two trees on the diagram makes a line with one end pointing to 10 o'clock direction and the other end (complimentary) is pointing to 4 o'clock direction. Then he makes a triangulation using 8 o'clock (with reference to the location of the first tree) line and 6 o'clock line (with reference to the second tree). The intersection of the said two lines is the location of the suposedly FIRST treasure deposition location according to mr. Commando?
Ok, we understand the method of traingulation. The basic is that, if we are the one who is hiding the treasure, we have a millions of obtions where to hide the treasure away from any visual markers, as long we remember the two angles (in degrees or hours unit) that specific location is making with our visual two markers with known distance apart.

My question, is this:

1. Do japanese always used a visual reference markers (two stones/trees) laid out with 10 o'clock direction?
2. If yes, do they also always put their treasure at 8 o'clock? How about at 1, 2,3....11,12 o'clock?
3. Are these principles also use on treasure clock which we usually see on jap treasure maps? How are they laid out if the deposition site is more than one. I mean, after 8 o'clock, what's next? 

 
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: Janner on November 01, 2010, 11:50:26 AM
have you calculated the difference from magnetic north (compass) to grid north (map) NO!

and it must be from the year the map was drawn, like 1944-5....do you know how to do it..? NO!

and the clock as you say it, has no meaning to time at all...


so you are being led up the garden path !!!

so...calculate the difference from 1944-5 to now and get back to me........ ;)
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: bsr747 on January 11, 2011, 06:24:24 PM
commando,

              i have here in my position,the indiiviidual treasure map,of callawa,could you help me sort this out,this is written in katakana form,my jap.friend already told me that lot of drums and some 6x trucks,are burried.i hope we could join forces,in findng this treasure,just keep in touch.

                                       bsr
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: Ophir777 on February 22, 2011, 05:53:15 AM
This is the treasure map of Mark59. I found this while browsing in this forum. You can see again the importance of midpoint tree marker again to get the 10 0'clock angle. Once you get the 10 0'clock angle, the best site to get first is the 8 0'clock angle. Always get the 8 0'clock treasure site first.

This is what i have got learned to one of my good friend:

your 10 o clock is also equivalent of 15deg bearing in any compass.

The Japanese choose the Philippines as their storehouse of gold loot during World War II. Another reason they choose the Philippines, Japan is 15 degrees northeast from the Philippines, most big volume treasure deposits are located 15 degrees north east. For instance if the Japanese choose a road intersection (because a crossing never change as a landmark in the course of time) as their right bearing, they will place the treasure object at the quadrant of 15 degrees northeast.

We don't yet fully understand this paranormal beliefs of the Japanese.

Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: vourvon on February 22, 2011, 08:50:11 AM
Ophir777,

       Correct me if I'm wrong Japan is the base measurement or the bearing of the Philippines so we can reverse your degree Philippines is 185 degree West South or South West from Japan and why 185 degree is there have a significant. Maybe Janner can help and I know he is very good in compass.

vourvon
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: Gener on February 22, 2011, 11:33:25 AM
Much of this hidden treasures are not based on 15 or 185 degrees in my belief,,,its all based on what markers "NATURAL" found existing on the ground. mostly compass based hidden treasures similar to that is sea based or existing military tunnels...my 2cents 
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: vourvon on February 22, 2011, 12:53:18 PM
Gener,

       I'm not saying a 185 degree is the deposite what I'm trying to say is according to the message of Ophir777 a 15 degree is the location of Japan from Philippines and because the Japan is the base it should be a 185 degree from Japan to Philippines where the country they plan to store the treasure.

vourvon
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: Janner on February 22, 2011, 03:23:13 PM
a bearing to Japan from the Philippines should it be 15 degrees, then the opposite bearing would be 195 degrees (Phil to Japan)
not as you say "185"  ;)

and 10 oclock is NOT 15 degrees but..more like 300 degrees or a back bearing of 60 degrees

so prior to making vivid statements like this , ensure the facts support them. like your bearings for instance..

because if the bearing is out, then so is everything else !!
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: vourvon on February 23, 2011, 08:49:41 AM
Janner,

        Thank you for your correction thats why I'm call your attention to give a correct degree and your explaination to this matter.

vourvon
Title: Re: Mark59 treasure map 2
Post by: renantiur on December 15, 2011, 11:03:06 PM
commando,

can i have ur email ad? i have something to show u....im from davao too