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TRAPS: How to deal with water and/or sand traps?
« on: April 29, 2011, 08:28:52 PM »
Hi guys!

I'm a newbie to this forum.  I'm just wondering if any of you would like to share how you dealt with traps like the infamous water and sand traps.  Thanks for all those who will respond.

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Re: TRAPS: How to deal with water and/or sand traps?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2011, 09:23:38 PM »
hi dred
there is no way to avoid sand traps and water traps. it is a big headache for treasure hunters, every experienced treasure hunters here one way or the other had experience it. it will give you multiple problems and expenditures, you must have very good engineering approach. whenever there is sand there is water too. this two combined creates a very big problem in digging. hope this helps.

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Re: TRAPS: How to deal with water and/or sand traps?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2011, 09:39:34 PM »
hi dred
there is no way to avoid sand traps and water traps. it is a big headache for treasure hunters, every experienced treasure hunters here one way or the other had experience it. it will give you multiple problems and expenditures, you must have very good engineering approach. whenever there is sand there is water too. this two combined creates a very big problem in digging. hope this helps.

Good advice, Wiseman!
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Re: TRAPS: How to deal with water and/or sand traps?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2011, 10:29:14 PM »
dred 747, here is a fine example in dealing with watertraps and sandtraps,  this hole is 80 feet deep.target anomaly physicaly verified much deeper.. 2 units of 2hp submersible pumps series connection were used to drain out the water below, now that can work BUT every time  the submersible  pump is switch off  water and sand simultaneously rises up to 3 feet in a span of one minute or so....
filling up the hole again with sand and water up to 3 feet... this hole was not like this before, the trap was encountered at 40 feet.   it is a layer of very pure fine sand with sea materials like shells. clams and corals, and a very strong water current. note that this area is a rice field and about 40 kilometers away from an ocean and 15 kilometers away from a river. i hope my experience have somewhat enlightend you....

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Re: TRAPS: How to deal with water and/or sand traps?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2011, 10:30:02 PM »
Hi Dred,

Just be prepared for those kind of traps whenever you planned for any diggings. Check first the surrounding of your site if it is near in well, river or falls for water traps. For sand traps, if the area is within or near seashore or in tunnels too.

Another thing... the booby traps (bombs or toxic gas) should be considered also.

Good luck.

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Re: TRAPS: How to deal with water and/or sand traps?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2011, 06:39:02 PM »
Thanks guys for replying.  I can see a wealth of experience from all your responses. 

I'm just wondering if applying liquid nitrogen can help? I know this approach may be a bit far-fetched but I heard that's what the Japanese tunnel engineers used when they dug the Honshu-Hokkaido tunnel some years back. Logical it seems to me.  Liquid nitrogen once applied to anything can turn the material to one solid block of ice. Gives one enough time to cement the area. Any experience with this?

Thanks again.

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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2011, 07:29:19 PM »
Dred, that could be done but you have to use a special type of cement called early strength cement to seal the wall afterwards and as of now, we still do not have that kind of cement for public consumption. It says that kind of cement will cure in 2 hours time or so.

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Re: TRAPS: How to deal with water and/or sand traps?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2011, 01:31:01 PM »

Dred747,

If your site is not within the sea shore or other areas which water is just around, I think it is also possible to look first where the water came from within the hole only, then maybe you can have it sealed first, one by one. (this is just my assumption but not yet applied and proven effective)

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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2011, 07:13:26 PM »
Dred, that could be done but you have to use a special type of cement called early strength cement to seal the wall afterwards and as of now, we still do not have that kind of cement for public consumption. It says that kind of cement will cure in 2 hours time or so.


Good  Eve  Bro  DB/T-h44  and to  all my fellas  here.

This is  in connection with sand and water trap.
How  about in our site(Pending  Site due  for  some  reason)...  The  sand  trap/water trap is located  in the  center  of  our  hole  bro. Every time  you go forward(dig down)  the  water became  stronger.  Just like  the  water  is in the center of the hole.  But  when you  don't unearthed   the  sand, then the water is calm.    I have already  experienced  several sites  but  I have  noticed  that the water trap  is located  beside the hole. But in our  hole  it's quite different.


I hope  you  can give  me some  additional  info's bout this  bro's/sis.

GOD BLESS PO!!

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Re: TRAPS: How to deal with water and/or sand traps?
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2011, 07:28:08 PM »
Dred, that could be done but you have to use a special type of cement called early strength cement to seal the wall afterwards and as of now, we still do not have that kind of cement for public consumption. It says that kind of cement will cure in 2 hours time or so.


Good  Eve  Bro  DB/T-h44  and to  all my fellas  here.

This is  in connection with sand and water trap.
How  about in our site(Pending  Site due  for  some  reason)...  The  sand  trap/water trap is located  in the  center  of  our  hole  bro. Every time  you go forward(dig down)  the  water became  stronger.  Just like  the  water  is in the center of the hole.  But  when you  don't unearthed   the  sand, then the water is calm.    I have already  experienced  several sites  but  I have  noticed  that the water trap  is located  beside the hole. But in our  hole  it's quite different.


I hope  you  can give  me some  additional  info's bout this  bro's/sis.

GOD BLESS PO!!

 ;)[/quote]


""QUOTE""

In addition  to  my quote.
The water  level  here in this  area is  around 6  fathoms.   I remember  when we dig  up a certain spot   4-5 years ago  which is  i believe  14-15 feet away  in our  current  hole( still in the same  lot)  at  around  6  fathoms  still no water  or  even a drops of  it  unlike  this current hole  of ours.  Tis  current hole  of ours(Pending  for  a while  due  to some reason)    around  28feet  deep  there's already  water  but  not  strong.  But when we  reach  33 feet , even our  2  submersible pump (3hp and  2 hp) are in a hard time controlling the  water when you  go forward.
You are attacking  here like  NPA. Dig  down  for  almost  an hour if you can still control the water, and if not  then we will stop.  Then we will be attacking again..  then if  the  water  became strong again then  we will stop.  In my analysis  the water  trap  is  in the center of  the hole.  

To my fellas how  do you deal with this  one?
Your  advices will  be  highly  appreciated.

GODBLESS,

YH  GE
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Re: TRAPS: How to deal with water and/or sand traps?
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2011, 08:10:36 AM »
Hello All,

There are numerous ways to deal with water/sand traps all are expensive.  Japanese come back to recover how do they do it? They had to have a plan to come back and recover it.  Please see my suggestions below.

1. Work with the water not against it.  It's one of the strongest forces on the planet.  If your having calm water in the beginning and it gets stronger as your going down, you are at the water level of the water table.  Keep in mind that fresh water is approximately 62.4 lbs/28.4 kg ft3 and seawater weighs approximately 64.1lbs/29.14kg ft 3.  for every foot you go down past the water table the stronger the force of water wants come in. 

2. Find the source of the water and cut it off or divert it. You may affect others around you and their source of water.

3. Use hose divers but ensure their safety by shoring, line pull signal communications, lighting and following the dive tables depending on depth and altitude.  I have these dive tables if you guys need them.  If there is sand, you'll need an airlift which can excavate very fast.  You'll need a low pressure high volume air compressor for this application.  One problem is when you remove the sand your going to affect the surrounding ground and could cause the ground to collapse (sink holes).

4. Use sheet pile to make a casson and dewater by pumps.  Seal the cassons with expanding cement http://www.thoroproducts.com/products_waterproofing.htm.  This also makes fast setting mortar.  I've see their products in the local hardware stores here.

All for now I hope this helps you out.
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Re: TRAPS: How to deal with water and/or sand traps?
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2011, 09:09:55 PM »
That's awesome, Com1Diver. Thanks for your tips.
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Re: TRAPS: How to deal with water and/or sand traps?
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2011, 11:18:35 PM »

Thanks for the helpful tips com1diver  ;)

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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2011, 07:45:53 AM »
additional tips, thanks for that com1diver.. :D

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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2011, 05:39:16 PM »
Hello All,

There are numerous ways to deal with water/sand traps all are expensive.  Japanese come back to recover how do they do it? They had to have a plan to come back and recover it.  Please see my suggestions below.

1. Work with the water not against it.  It's one of the strongest forces on the planet.  If your having calm water in the beginning and it gets stronger as your going down, you are at the water level of the water table.  Keep in mind that fresh water is approximately 62.4 lbs/28.4 kg ft3 and seawater weighs approximately 64.1lbs/29.14kg ft 3.  for every foot you go down past the water table the stronger the force of water wants come in. 

2. Find the source of the water and cut it off or divert it. You may affect others around you and their source of water.

3. Use hose divers but ensure their safety by shoring, line pull signal communications, lighting and following the dive tables depending on depth and altitude.  I have these dive tables if you guys need them.  If there is sand, you'll need an airlift which can excavate very fast.  You'll need a low pressure high volume air compressor for this application.  One problem is when you remove the sand your going to affect the surrounding ground and could cause the ground to collapse (sink holes).

4. Use sheet pile to make a casson and dewater by pumps.  Seal the cassons with expanding cement http://www.thoroproducts.com/products_waterproofing.htm.  This also makes fast setting mortar.  I've see their products in the local hardware stores here.

All for now I hope this helps you out.
Com1diver



Thanks  for  the  tips  bro.
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