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MELTING GOLD...
« on: April 15, 2012, 10:20:10 PM »
Melting Gold At Home

 What You Will Need:

•   A crucible- a reactionary container usually made of clay.
(You can buy at any allied medical and or industrial stores or dealer pero pwede na “paso” or “benga”)
•   Acetylene torch or miner’s blow torch
•   Crucible tongs
•   bucket of water
•   Goggles
•   Leather gloves
•   Gold you want to melt
•   A work bench
 
1.   Set up a place in your house to melt gold. You could use your garage, a spare room, or a shed. Where you melt the gold is up to you. Make sure you have a workbench to set all your materials on.

2.   Take the gold you want to melt and put it into the crucible container. This crucible container is usually made of clay. If you do not want to buy a crucible, find an old clay jar at a market. Make sure the clay jar is sturdy enough to melt your gold in it.

3.   Melt your gold with the acetylene torch. The acetylene torch gets hot enough to melt your gold. Make sure you wear protective goggles and leather gloves when you work with the acetylene torch. You do not want to hurt or burn yourself when you melt your gold. Your gold is a soft metal and it will melt quickly.
Melting Point: 1064.43 °C (1337.5801 F).
4.   The melted gold will take a flat form and let it be that way as to achieve the goal to present it as a miner’s gold.
 If one bar is 6.2 kilos, you can cut it in 3 parts that is at least 2 kilos each, then melt it one at a time (in approximately a little more than 2 kilos each) so that there will be a resulting 2 kilos each of a flat shaped gold.
Or you can cut it directly in half to also present a little more than 3 kilos of a flat shaped gold. A 6.2 kilos gold bar is perhaps a Burma gold bar.
The main idea why we do this is to erase any suspicion that the gold comes from Japanese looted treasure. Tell your in laws to be always patient and careful.
In cutting be sure to collect the gold sawdust and include it in the pot when melting.

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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2012, 10:26:26 PM »

Gold Melt part 1
Gold Melt part 2

refined gold comval product.MOV

THE LAST VIDEO WAS TAKEN IN COMPOSTELA VALLEY AND THE GOLD SHOWN IS THE PRODUCT OF MY SMALL SCALE GOLD MINING ACTIVITY WAY BACK THEN.
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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 05:25:42 AM »
Once you remelt the gold will there be slight decrease in weight? Because few drops or pieces might fall. A single drop or
a tiny piece ain't cheap.
Melting old Scrap Gold Jewellery
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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 05:37:24 AM »
@Sir Kizuna

One wild question, If its a golden buddha will you remelt into a regular shaped gold?

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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 06:50:59 AM »
@Sir Kizuna

One wild question, If its a golden buddha will you remelt into a regular shaped gold?

may i rephrase that question.
if it's a golden buddha, would you remelt it?
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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2012, 08:57:02 PM »
it depends on the actual size of Buddha since there are plenty of sizes i guess, then it's your own decision whether to melt it or not, just my personal opinion.

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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2012, 09:35:54 PM »
    Way back, this person was asking for the price of Gold, then, how to remelt AU and now, Buddhas. People, First, you have to find that Gold before you will even think of the price of gold or how to melt and recast it. Then, if you are not aware of it, NOT All Buddhas is made of Gold.

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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2012, 10:13:51 PM »
    Way back, this person was asking for the price of Gold, then, how to remelt AU and now, Buddhas. People, First, you have to find that Gold before you will even think of the price of gold or how to melt and recast it. Then, if you are not aware of it, NOT All Buddhas is made of Gold.

You're right sir T44. Absolutely no comment on that.
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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 06:23:36 AM »
Personally, I think if anyone happened to find a rare item such as a gold buddah, it would be a sin to melt such a precious and religious artifact down. Don't do it because you will be cursed for the rest of your life!  ;)
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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2012, 07:38:23 AM »
Personally, I think if anyone happened to find a rare item such as a gold buddah, it would be a sin to melt such a precious and religious artifact down. Don't do it because you will be cursed for the rest of your life!  ;)
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You have a point there Sir TW.
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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 08:17:05 AM »
Just point to ponder re Gold Buddha:

1.   Is it classified as War Loot (spoils of war)?
2.   Is it more of a cultural/historical heritage?

In your own opinion, which of the above two items weighs more?

My point here is, according to law, "What can be done, what can be legally done" when you find a Gold Buddha.

Am off for 3 days to conduct a training.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2012, 08:21:59 AM by DINDO BAYAUA »

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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2012, 10:50:02 PM »
    Way back, this person was asking for the price of Gold, then, how to remelt AU and now, Buddhas. People, First, you have to find that Gold before you will even think of the price of gold or how to melt and recast it. Then, if you are not aware of it, NOT All Buddhas is made of Gold.
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Sir. Is it wrong to ask questions since its related to the topic?
@gold Once confirmed, Yes I will deliver.

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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2012, 03:19:16 AM »
Melting Gold At Home

 What You Will Need:

•   A crucible- a reactionary container usually made of clay.
(You can buy at any allied medical and or industrial stores or dealer pero pwede na “paso” or “benga”)
•   Acetylene torch or miner’s blow torch
•   Crucible tongs
•   bucket of water
•   Goggles
•   Leather gloves
•   Gold you want to melt
•   A work bench
 
1.   Set up a place in your house to melt gold. You could use your garage, a spare room, or a shed. Where you melt the gold is up to you. Make sure you have a workbench to set all your materials on.

2.   Take the gold you want to melt and put it into the crucible container. This crucible container is usually made of clay. If you do not want to buy a crucible, find an old clay jar at a market. Make sure the clay jar is sturdy enough to melt your gold in it.

3.   Melt your gold with the acetylene torch. The acetylene torch gets hot enough to melt your gold. Make sure you wear protective goggles and leather gloves when you work with the acetylene torch. You do not want to hurt or burn yourself when you melt your gold. Your gold is a soft metal and it will melt quickly.
Melting Point: 1064.43 °C (1337.5801 F).
4.   The melted gold will take a flat form and let it be that way as to achieve the goal to present it as a miner’s gold.
 If one bar is 6.2 kilos, you can cut it in 3 parts that is at least 2 kilos each, then melt it one at a time (in approximately a little more than 2 kilos each) so that there will be a resulting 2 kilos each of a flat shaped gold.
Or you can cut it directly in half to also present a little more than 3 kilos of a flat shaped gold. A 6.2 kilos gold bar is perhaps a Burma gold bar.
The main idea why we do this is to erase any suspicion that the gold comes from Japanese looted treasure. Tell your in laws to be always patient and careful.
In cutting be sure to collect the gold sawdust and include it in the pot when melting.

 Kizuna

Kizuni, a few problems with this as you described.  The only type of "pot" that will handle the temperatures to melt precious metals is specifically designed for high temperatures, not even all fire clay crucibles will handle melting gold.  So, any clay pot will not work.  Fire clay is specifically porous to as to not trap moisture.  Common clay pots contain moisture even in trace amounts and their composition will not withstand high temperatures. Heating those will only result in cracked shards.  A crucifiable that will hold 2kg of gold or 4 plus pounds of gold is difficult to handle when it is glowing yellow and that is what it will look like in order to be hot enough to pour gold.  Any crucifiable large enough to pour that much gold is a specialty item made just for that purpose.  It takes a tremendous amount of heat to melt that much gold, to heat the crucifiable to that temperature.  It requires a furnace.  An acetylene torch will heat up a couple of ounces when in a shallow dish using borax and soda ash flux.  But an acetylene torch will never produce enough heat to melt any where near that much gold.  Been there and done that.  Further acetylene will carbonize gold.  For quick assay purposes a small amount of gold is often melted in a shallow fire clay dish in a bath of soda ash and borax.  In those cases it is melted with a hydrogen-oxygen torch setup.  Burns a lot of hydrogen, this is used for a quick and dirty assay.  let the dish cool on it's own, as the flux cools it will shrink and the gold button will literally pop from the hardening flux.  Not to say it will jump out of the dish, just that it will be exposed and the shrinking hardening flux will pop away from it.  That leaves a button to acid bath, hammer flat, acid bath and test for purity.  Melting an ounce or two, tops, with a torch will take a bit of time even when using flux mix.  Melting 2 kilos with a torch will never happen.  There is not enough heat do to it.  A torch could not even melt 2 kilo's of steel or even aluminum.  Don't mislead people as they will only be disappointed should they try this and wind up getting burnt fingers.

When pouring molten gold, the mold must be preheated and be completely void of any trace of moisture.  Any trace of moisture will be superheated and explode.  This is why the casting mold is often a very large iron mold, which will chill the gold and absorb the heat but not rise sufficiently high enough to melt the iron, or a preheated fire clay mold.  Sometimes a sand mold is used as well, but that practice is now antiquated.  Same problems apply with a sand mold

Compostello valley has changed a lot since the massive land slide.  The military is running the small miners out.  Further the military check points are searching the people going through for any small amounts of gold, naturally the military is just stealing it from the poor people.  I spent two weeks there last month.

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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2012, 04:03:54 PM »
   Way back, this person was asking for the price of Gold, then, how to remelt AU and now, Buddhas. People, First, you have to find that Gold before you will even think of the price of gold or how to melt and recast it. Then, if you are not aware of it, NOT All Buddhas is made of Gold.
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Sir. Is it wrong to ask questions since its related to the topic?
@gold Once confirmed, Yes I will deliver.

   Nope, you can always ask a question related to the topic. Remember your last query before you disappeared for awhile, about the price of gold that you were bragging you will recover shortly, it did not happen and the same case is in the wind, you are counting your chicks before the eggs gets hatched but then that is the natural you.
    That part that is high lighted in blue, whatever that means and what challenge are you talking about, was there one? There was no challenge written or implied, just your messed up imagination or you have not learned how to read between the lines.
    You're posting unrelated pictures or icons after your post that doesn't even convey the real meaning is getting out of hand. Why can't you just be satisfied with the facial expressions icons that is here like most of us instead of trying to emphasize your point with nonsensical pictures or icons, be an adult and go with the flow if you can, be difficult for you I guess but that is natural for the an uncouth and undisciplined person like you.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2012, 08:11:35 PM by t_hunter44 »

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Re: MELTING GOLD...
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2012, 10:02:38 PM »
   Way back, this person was asking for the price of Gold, then, how to remelt AU and now, Buddhas. People, First, you have to find that Gold before you will even think of the price of gold or how to melt and recast it. Then, if you are not aware of it, NOT All Buddhas is made of Gold.
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Sir. Is it wrong to ask questions since its related to the topic?
@gold Once confirmed, Yes I will deliver.

   Nope, you can always ask a question related to the topic. Remember your last query before you disappeared for awhile, about the price of gold that you were bragging you will recover shortly, it did not happen and the same case is in the wind, you are counting your chicks before the eggs gets hatched but then that is the natural you.
    That part that is high lighted in blue, whatever that means and what challenge are you talking about, was there one? There was no challenge written or implied, just your messed up imagination or you have not learned how to read between the lines.
    You're posting unrelated pictures or icons after your post that doesn't even convey the real meaning is getting out of hand. Why can't you just be satisfied with the facial expressions icons that is here like most of us instead of trying to emphasize your point with nonsensical pictures or icons, be an adult and go with the flow if you can, be difficult for you I guess but that is natural for the an uncouth and undisciplined person like you.
Because instead of being optimistic about it and being happy that other people could also enjoy and recover those buried treas, You're the having a negative view about it. Little hope won't hurt.