Zibex, ahh umm Zobex,
There will always be problem if you are only after for a problem. There are many ways to skin a cat and yes, your way of skinning is just exactly for the industrial and large scale process.
My intention in that written description of the process is at least to have the simplest process of melting gold and it was based more on the first hand experience of that simple process. You have to remember, not all of those who found gold have the instant capacity of having custom and or industrial furnaces. Again my approach is merely for them to have a basic understanding of the possible simplest process of melting gold without using furnaces as of for the meantime that the finder still can’t afford to buy one.
I understand long time ago all what you have expounded, my idea is mainly, to have at least the maximum amount of disguised melted gold out of the Japanese looted gold bars for the finders to have at least a seed money to lay the foundations of their later plans to safely transact those found gold bars in the proper time, place and entities.
Been there and done that too, but however, it is not on a large scale basis i admit. Done melting almost a kilo in a fire clay crucible but somehow it was an amalgam of mercury and gold and in the old days, we save the used crucible clay pot because we can gather later some few grams of gold (we subject the used clay pot to the rod mill) but presently, I have my graphite crucible to do the purpose of melting.
And yes, it was not a 2 nor 3 kilos Japanese looted gold. But my idea is to melt as much as possible cut gold and convert it to many possible “flat buttons” from the melted gold. Our process is not to mold gold into bars but the reverse, to melt and reshape it to a flattened form.
Yes, you are right in saying, acetylene can carbonize gold but that would happen, however, if you will just point your torch steadily at one point even when the gold starts to melt. Pointing the flame to an already melted gold continuously will bring the melted gold to its boiling point and from there your worry of making the gold carbonized would happen. By aiming the acetylene torch at the gold in the crucible at least two inches away from the gold and moving the torch evenly in back and forth motion or in circles until melting happens.
Remember what I’m emphasizing is just melting the gold and I am not saying to bring the gold into its boiling point. What we are after is turning the solid gold to its liquid form thereby we give specific heat to bring it to its melting point. Giving more heat continuously to an already melted gold will bring it to its boiling point, and it is on this stage that the liquid gold will transform to its gaseous form.
The melting point is 1064 °C, 1947.52 degrees F (1337 K) and the boiling point is 3080 °C. The vapour pressure is 0,000237 Pa at 1337 K and so the loss is negligible.
But you can get an acetylene flame with a temperature about 3300 °C. At this temperature you will definitively lose gold.
Melting is merely a phase transition, in order to lose weight you'd have to increase the temperature to such a point where the gold changed phase again from liquid to gas. However, the acetylene torch can actually reach temperatures of around 3300 to 3500 celcius. This is much higher than the 2000+ celcius boiling point of gold. Naturally the gold will just melt and boil away.
Yes, theoretically if you heat it sufficiently long enough, you will end up with less gold and thus with a slightly lower weight.
In my view, during the time that the gold starts to melt, I will or a partner will tilt the crucible so the melted gold will slide to a specific side of cut gold exposing yet unmelted surface of gold to heat from the torch. As the new surface becomes melted, tilt again to other side and so on until the cut gold is completely on a flattened shape, the gold should be liquid, let cool in a flattened shaped no mold or cast is needed.
Now, you have a point in there, the easiest way therefore is to cut the gold bar in smaller parts possible to melt it easily.Definitely there’s no need to argue but by you saying that I am misleading people here in this forum is very misleading, malicious and irresponsible. I understand that you have the knowledge but let me ask you this question?—are you there?, where were you when good advices is needed? Are you that ever ready to share your knowledge even if there are no solicitations of advice asked?
I just simply noticed it Zobex, that your presumed knowledge will just come out for bragging purposes and not solely intended to help.
And don’t lecture me about what is happening there in Compostela Valley, that, I am very and pretty much sure, have more knowledge of what’s happening in there at present. I am a natural born Filipino citizen and you are just a despising, ingrate guest in our beloved country trying to stake something good and bountiful to what you call a “poor”country.
If the Philippines is that “poor”and chaotic, sooo why are you still here?
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