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Re: Small-scale miners seek gov’t help for livelihood
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2012, 11:49:04 AM »
....At the later phase of operation, two modest half concrete half amakan houses were built after the other by Jimboy A. and Dodong out of the proceeds of the milling of the ores at the sinking hole...

.....they were able to do so by switching bags of rich ores of not so good ores, i knew because i have secret markings done every batch of bags, and that happened sometimes when i went home to check on my family.
I told V.A of what had happened but i also knew then, he wanted me out to control by himself the operation.

If i can only have a live presentation here, i will present every proofs that i have.
But this will suffice for now.
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Re: Small-scale miners seek gov’t help for livelihood
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2012, 06:23:21 PM »
Long time ago before i even met this man V.A, i was so engrossed applying the knowledge learned from mentors, i scouted, prospected explored and discovered veins.
(see sample photo of how i opened up a site to expose a big vein)
V.A to give you a benefit of the doubt, as a "Geologist" could you give me one single photo or a document that could at least prove that you are really what you claim..

I explored the mountains of Agusan, in Boston Davao Oriental and as well as the mountains of Davao del Sur and have my due discoveries of positive "minable areas".

The love off treasure hunting came as an off-shoot.
Treasure hunting infos and knowledge were later developed as i worked on by myself and not with groups.

Talked and rubbed elbows with Japanese descendants relatives of guardians. I am not a so called "reader or analyzer" but i was given direct lectures by people who know some secrets ie. direct lectures of diagrams of real burial sites and its corresponding designs.

My background as a science man lead me to my present principles and understanding of our passion.
 
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Re: Small-scale miners seek gov’t help for livelihood
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2012, 10:15:33 PM »
the "showdown", requested by V.A
This was taken personally by him, with the use of his own camera.. How could it be a make believe???
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Re: Small-scale miners seek gov’t help for livelihood
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2012, 10:18:53 PM »
the "showdown", requested by V.A
This was taken personally by him, with the use of his own camera.. How could it be a make believe???
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Re: Small-scale miners seek gov’t help for livelihood
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2012, 10:22:37 PM »
AND I VIVIDLY RECALLED, I GAVE THIS TO YOU...
you were very afraid to touch an amalgam of gold and mercury ("mercurized" gold) but when i handed down the finish product "raw gold", you openly opened your hand. You personally tested it with your kit, and found out it is of 22k quality...
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Re: Small-scale miners seek gov’t help for livelihood
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2012, 11:16:47 PM »
Now, i never showed it this video before because the ballmill drums bore a family name that would give viewers knowledge of an identity but V.A exposed the name already to burn Ben Valmores' identity, i have no problem with that now for i know the truth will set me free,,,

least V.A would make claim again that i used his money..During those times when plans of support of V.A are not so clear and is nowhere, and stealing of ores by the culprit miners becoming repetitive i made a very risky decision to loan again one of my inherited property with the support of my father's and a real friend's money and that is to prepare for the worst if V.A withdraws support.

We decided to set up our own ballmill plant (a corpo with my father, me and a policeman friend).
I told you honestly about this before others could make an issue against me to you, but your very MALICIOUS MIND MADE YOU THINK THAT IT WAS YOUR MONEY THAT I USED--no way JOSE!!!
And right after you V.A kicked me out, after you wrest control of the mining operation, we concentrated of buying ready ores instead...

You very maliciously, evilly maligned me after this.
We separated ways, and I focused on buying ores from the ore shares of nearby miners.

You haughtily led control of those deceptive people i was surrounded before, i told you about their deceptions yet you did not believe me.

Later, i learned that by your bad attitude and of course in the company of those deceptive miners (who also thought they have won too because you believed in them) their were chaos and your group disintegrated.

You have your adventures through time somewhere then in the company of other people , and i continued the ballmill, i have my misfortune also then because, i still gave trust to one of the deceptive miner brothers whom i thought was the exception and was least shrewd of them all.

The shrewd man, whenever i'm not around would mill my very own ores and replaced it with other ores.
If i was not trained morally, i could have made a decision that would have changed my real nature into something, but i kept my cool and disheartedly decided to close operation than to make the guy rich at my own expense.

Now, i am man enough to admit that i failed later on on my ballmill operations. No, i did not fail with the technicalities of the operation for i knew it well but it is a the FAILURE caused by TRUSTING TOO MUCH. SO MUCH TRUST WITH WRONG PEOPLE.. sad but true.
There was one guy EKONG who sided you before, after you left them with no more food, approached me again, volunteered to help, i offered him food and rest in room in the mills but after i feed him, left me again. Again too much kindheartedness for me. THEY ALWAYS ASSUME THAT MY KINDNESS IS MY WEAKNESS.
I could have taken revenge to anyone who transgressed me but i did not.

Through time, i faced what befalls me and faced the consequences of the failure that was caused by trusting so much. I faced the struggles to stand up again, with loans that i have to pay.
Now i am steadily trying to recover from those.

 I tried many times to forget my passions in Mining and in treasure hunting but chances and fate always brought me back to it

Now V.A, again please be man enough to face the consequences of your actions, be man enough with balls and dignity to accept failures in which are your own making.

You kept pointing a finger to me yet you don't know that all other four fingers in your pointing hand, was and is ALWAYS POINTING TO YOU.
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Re: Small-scale miners seek gov’t help for livelihood
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2012, 01:28:05 AM »
The ballmilll, invested by me, my father and a real friend.

mining philippine style compostela valley

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Re: Small-scale miners seek gov’t help for livelihood
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2012, 01:40:10 AM »
We bought ores but was milled by the culprit who gained the gold on the first stage of the process which is free milling by ballmill. Derive this product only at the tailings in the pond. This was extracted in the CIP plants--the second stage.
I was not mistaken in the process of producing gold but i do have mistaken in giving too much trust on the wrong people.
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Re: Small-scale miners seek gov’t help for livelihood
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2012, 01:45:31 AM »
above is the raw gold product
below is when after it was refined. The refined product 22k gold but only in grams.
Proof that i have not mistaken on my approach, and at any given time i can produce again if i am place in a place and situation and area where conditions are favorable to mine.
One big lesson learn----DON'T TRUST TOO MUCH.
I will never be the same again, my trusting nature was changed by the very people i trusted.

refined gold comval product.MOV
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Re: Small-scale miners seek gov’t help for livelihood
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2012, 01:50:55 AM »
Can that be a make believe??? i have produced and i will produce again given a favorable occassion and chance.
And you know what? i am again giving it a try this time around somewhere in davao del sur.
If i can produce again, i will keep you posted everybody..
Thanks and we may all be blessed.
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Re: Small-scale miners seek gov’t help for livelihood
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2012, 02:00:25 AM »
peace!

ben, the same mistake i've been before, trust!..... and in mining, every player is simply greedy........ they change color when shown with gold....

i wonder how much more in treasure gold in kilograms?...... 

good luck and God be with you my friend in your continuous quest for gold......


p.s
ben, i want to know how do you find veins?...that was very shallow vein....do you use any equipments.... please share my friend.
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Re: Small-scale miners seek gov’t help for livelihood
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2012, 02:16:04 AM »
As i have been doing it, i will share my ideas to anybody with a clean heart.
BF gates, you have been always at this forum and on this thread, i will my friend.
To be successful in this endeavor of ours, cooperation and truthfulness are two basic requirements.
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Re: Small-scale miners seek gov’t help for livelihood
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2012, 03:55:30 AM »
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i wonder how much more in treasure gold in kilograms?......

The glitters of Gold really changes people...even for just a gram, even more for a 6.20 kilograms bar... And from your last/least expected people to cheat you.
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Philippine president set to sign new mining policy
By Christine O. Avendano in Davao/Philippine Daily Inquirer | Asia News Network – 17 hours ago

{May there will be good and favorable conditions set for the Small Scale Mining Sector}

Davao, south Philippines (Philippine Daily Inquirer/ANN) - A new mining policy expected to be issued Friday by Philippine President Benigno Aquino hopes to generate more revenues for the government in the face of a high demand for metallic resources while excluding about 78 more areas from mining activities.

Aquino said here yesterday that he hoped to come out soon with the much-awaited executive order (EO) spelling out the government¿s revised mining policy in the midst of intense debate between industry leaders and environmentalists through the years.

Without going into details, the president said small-scale mining would be further regulated throughout the country under the new EO, which, he added, was undergoing ¿fine-tuning¿ in certain provisions for being ¿superfluous."

Mining and oil shares rose 1.64 per cent in the Philippine stock market on Wednesday following Aquino¿s statements.

The managing director of First Grade Holdings, Astro del Castillo, said the issuance of the new rules would trigger a significant spike in investments from new and old mining companies. ¿If you look at the industry, they have really stepped on the brakes over the past year," he said in an interview.

The new policy would expand the functions of the Mineral Development Council, said a source privy to the matter.

Under the plan, a new council composed of the Cabinet clusters on environment, climate change and economic issues would assess mining projects and rules related to the industry. It would also propose legislation for the mining industry.

78 tourism areas

Asked how the new EO will be able to balance out concerns on environment protection and economic gains, Aquino said that one of its provisions would designate ¿roughly¿ 78 areas to be reserved for tourism ¿and mining cannot happen there."

Extractive activities would be disallowed in agricultural and ecotourism areas, according to the source. At present, mining is barred only in areas under protected status.

The president noted that the provision in the draft EO that ¿mining cannot happen in prime agricultural lands¿ had also been stated in the law extending the implementation of the Comprehensive Agrarian Reform Programme which, in turn, prohibited the conversion of irrigated lands.

"So I asked our lawyers: ¿Do we need to put this down there when it¿s very clear that there is such a law? Do we have to reiterate?" he said, adding that the government might end up being a laughingstock for this.

He said small-scale mining sites would be declared ¿Minahan ng Bayan."

The president, who was interviewed by reporters after attending a convention of leaders of the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao at Waterfront Hotel here, said he had asked his executive secretary, Paquito Ochoa, to look into the government¿s share of mining revenues and to flesh out the basis for imposing either higher taxes or royalties on mining projects.

Balanced policy

At present, the government is collecting a 5-per cent royalty tax on mineral reservations and a 2-per cent excise tax on gross sales of mining products. In 2011, excise taxes from mining amounted to some 800 million pesos (US$18.9 million).

¿Do we need legislation to effect a better return for the state?" the President said, ¿And then¿all taxes involved¿[public revenues] ... will not even reach 10 per cent of what they (mining firms) are making from the extraction of our resources. That seemed not fair."

In Manila, Environment Secretary Ramon Paje said the mining policy ¿will ensure a balance policy between extractive activities and environmental protection."

While it will open the Philippines to mining activities, it will make sure that companies follow environmental and safety laws, Paje said.

The final draft submitted by Ochoa to the President on Monday took into consideration the inputs made in a joint Cabinet economic and environmental cluster that were called in to ensure the government will be able to strike a balance between economic gains and environment protection.

Administrative fees

In separate interviews, officials of the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) said the new mining policy would not yet impose the royalty tax on mining companies, a levy vehemently opposed by the industry.

To raise more money from the sector and pending legal issues on the royalty tax, the government would impose higher administrative fees, such as occupational and application fees, which are used by mineral speculators, Paje had said in a previous interview.

Owners of idle mineral lots do not pay an occupational fee to the government, leading to losses of P760 million, Paje said. A lot owner is mandated to pay an occupational fee of P60 per hectare only when the land is placed under a Mineral Processing Share Agreement.

Mineralised lots which are fenced off and left undeveloped have produced mineral speculators that drive up the cost of land for legitimate mining companies and lead to revenue losses for the government, the DENR officials said.

While mining industry leaders are pressing the government to be more accommodating to them, the new EO is expected to inflame environmentalists and conservationists who oppose the promotion of mining in a country with high biodiversity and is very vulnerable to extreme weather effects.

40 provinces vs mining

According to Mines and Geosciences Bureau (MGB) Director Leo Jasareno, the ¿antimining sentiment¿ has affected the growth of the industry, pointing out that about 40 provinces have adopted laws restricting mining activities.

Legitimate mining companies were also haled to the Supreme Court, he said.

¿The antimining advocacy is bringing us down ... it is hurting the country," Jasareno said.

The Philippines saw a decline in mining investments in the past year. According to data from the DENR-MGB, total Philippine metallic mineral production value during the first quarter this year plummeted by a staggering 38 per cent, from 31.40 billion pesos ($743 million) to 19.61 billion pesos ($464 million) year on year, or an 11.79-billion peso ($279 million) shortfall.

He attributed the antimining sentiment to the lack of information on sustainable mining. Communities receive little or no revenues from mining firms in their midst, he said.\

The mining industry was also at fault. For years, they have abandoned mines and flouted environmental laws in the Philippines, Jasareno said.

Easier for legit miners

Fund managers hailed the president¿s announcement that new rules on mining could be out by the end of the week.

Analysts said the signing of the new executive order should mean that new mining contracts would finally be granted, helping the country tap the potential impact of the industry on economic growth.

¿This will create a lot of local jobs. This will also create a lot of indirect income for communities because of the support services," Joey Roxas, president of Eagle Equities, said yesterday.

Concerned government agencies should act fast and approve pending petitions for contracts by companies that comply with the requirements under the new order, Roxas said.

¿The market wants to see contracts granted quickly if the government wants to show that they do not really mean to hold back the industry," he said. ¿The new rules should make the environment easier for legitimate miners," he added.

He said the Philippines has a long history in mining, with cities like Baguio and Toledo in Cebu province tracing their early developments to the industry. ¿These cities would not exist if not for mining," Roxas said.

He said the issuance of the presidential order would lead to an immediate improvement in the performance of mining stocks on the local bourse.

- With reports from Kristine L. Alave, Paolo G. Montecillo and Riza T. Olchondra in Manila
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