What is the Best Deal?

[franke]

Good day!

Any ideas on how to deal the guardian, if the positive sites to be operate is inside the house. How to deal the guardian to leave that area so that they can't give much problem to the families living that house. If true according to the Spiritista that more bodies burried. It is need to take out the bones and place to other empty holes or it is need transfer to the cemetery?

[DINDO BAYAUA]

Even if the site to be operated is beneath or below the house, the guardian still will never leave until the items were all been taken out. If the items were already taken out, then he has nothing to guard anymore and thereby he can cross over or be a free spirit. His choice. But if you mean, someone could push him out using "something" before actually finding the items, then that is very very impossible to happen. The entities could be controlled sometime to lessen their disturbance over the above house owner but no one can push them out to leave their task in guarding the items until all were already been taken out. Some treasure hunters, I believe, could luckily find and take out the items with the guardians still on "it" BUT definitely, something is still attached on those items found, and commonly it has its consequences.

The items could sometimes be taken out with the entity still there but not the entity been taken out before finding the items.

The question is... in the underworld, who was tasked to guard the loots? At that very situation, who presently or legally own the loot? The diggers or the guardian? If it is the diggers, then good luck to them. If it is the guardian who has more right at that moment than the diggers, then find out what is needed to be done and do it.

In understanding more the world of the underworld, watch the movie "Beetlejuice" about their confinement in their own world and the ghost-comedy movie "D' Anothers" the characters were captured in a vortex as spirits and could not go out until the task is done. Some aspect of these movies has element of truth in it (but NOT ALL parts as a whole is true).

Our own belief, our own practice...

[Angelvictory]

Hello Everyone,
It's difficult to answer this question because it involves some kind of proposal business or spiritual to the guardian spirits that to most of us are not able to see. That's the first hurdle anyone has to pass. And if we have a medium that can communicate with the guardian spirit, then what form of contract can we extract or offer to the unknown spirit or group of spirits to release the treasures or loot to the TH recovery team. In some treasure hunting circle, someone has to offer their life willingly in exchange for the treasure..Are some of us ready to do that?
On the other hand, prayers and ritual offerings for a known duration of time will suffice.
So the best deal is up to the individual person offering it to the guardian spirit and that the guardian spirit will accept as best for his predicament. How can we ascertain that. Obviously it is not possible to know.
This is my answer to this question.
Victor

[DINDO BAYAUA]

Just be very careful from the kind of mediums you choose to have. For sure, no medium can locate the "X" spot without going personally and actually to the site. Second, be also careful to those mediums who ask payments for their service rendered even before retrieving the buried gold.

Just last month, according to a friend in Jones, Isabela (There are several TH digging going on there secretly), a wealthy financier used an unknown medium from another province. Accordingly, the medium talked with the guardians whom he said were two, an elemental and a spirit (while hearing the story, I knew then that it was a doubtful medium) and the spirit ask that the financier throw sets of jewelries in the nearby river amounting to not less than 100 thousand THRU the medium, so they will release the buried volume of items. The financier did, then used the detector to check the spot and utilized a backhoe for 3 days and found NOTHING, even the medium magically vanished too. He let his man dived the river to retrieve those thrown jewelries and found few brass jewelries.

BTW, I do not call now the talk or deal between the medium and the guardian as "contract". Because "contract" always connotes a legal action and a legal remedy which could be settled thru the court. There will be no "court" to settle any bleach of the said contract between the guardian and the digger. What ever the guardian "ask" is called "condition", while the promise action of the digger is more amply called "pledge" or "promise".

[pinoytreasure]

i have been reading all the posts here at this site for a couple of years and i have never posted anything until now. i am finally posting this becuz i am sick of hearing these fony mediums act like they know all about everything!
dowsing was originally developed using the bodys own electromagnetic fields to detect other magnetic fields using some kind of dowsing rod.
sense then all of these fonies have turned it into something completely different. they have created the existance of dwarfs, guardians, elves and all sorts of other made up CRAP. i think that most of these people that have created these fairytales have done so to discourage others from lookin for loot and also to make themselves appear as some one special, with some kind of magical stupid gift.
the other "mediums" may actually believe that they have this "gift" but they have absolutly NO proof what so ever for what they r talking about yet they determined to make everybody believe them.
go ahead and critisice me all u want, make fun of my spelling, grammer or whatever i dont care. i stil think anyone who bellieves in the supernatural gaurdians protecting these sites is an idiot!
i really wonder why the ADMIN has allowed all of this B.S. to take place here in this forum.
by allowing this kind of talk hear in this forum u are allowing people to get misguided into believing in total foolishness.
this forum should be based in science not fairytales

[admin]

In answer to your question about why ADMIN allows this kind of info here.. Well, we try to be fair to everyone. Each person is entitled to his/her own beliefs. As long as not deflaming or bad talking about anyone, we believe in Freedom of speech here. If you're not into that then I guess you're at the wrong forum.

My question to you is.. why are you posting this same comment twice? That's double posting. Wasn't posting your beliefs (disbeliefs) once on the other thread good enough or do you feel you really have a point to prove and drive it into everyone's head?
TW

[pinoytreasure]

hey if this is how u want to run ur site. go for it.
i dont see how peoples beliefs in god, the bible, or any other kind of other belief should be allowed to pollute the entire forum.
if these people want to turn this forum into some kind of circus then, have fun!
u r allowing some kind of weird cult to form here. these cult leaders are preaching that they have some sort of supernatural powers and abilities and people are believing them.
maybe it doesnt upset u to watch this but it does me and i have never been one to hold my tongue when i see there is something clearly wrong.
maybe this question of mine needed to be posted twice cuz i cant think of anyone ever asking it??  so so soooo sorry for breakin the rules and all
there is so much guardian talk on this forum that i really dont even care if u ban me.
u can keep ur "freedom of speech" forum

[admin]

Well... sorry if this talk is so much 'offending' you. If you really can't take it then DON'T READ IT! There's lots of other stuff for you to read here. Or.. maybe you can find some other stuff here to complain about like NORTHSTAR'S controversial ISOMETRIC treasure mapping methods? Heck, I don't believe in everything here either but if other people do then that's their business. That's about all I can say to you now.
TW

[pinoytreasure]

there was 14 unread posts this morning and 13 had to do with the supernatural.
i am tired of wading threw this stuff trying to find the good stuff.
its become like the looney crazytalk forum.
so this is my contrabution to this site finally. maybe it will wake some people up.  i know its going to upset others but maybe it was time someone called them out.

[yokers]

Yeah, I think Admin is right all of us here (new or old) member has the right to express our own ideas, as long as we do not contradict the rules.

Pinoytreasure,
I'm also a Filipino like you and were living in the same culture but I think we have different beliefs coz you are an atheist right? I guess we all know what is respect and this facet keeps us the order in this forum. I think they respect your idea but please respect them also. As what Admin has said "If you don't like the topic, then don't read". There are other topics which we can learn and expand our knowledge aside from this. Hope you've got the idea and enjoy the learning in this forum.     

[t_hunter44]

Yokers, what makes you think that Pinoytreasure is a Filipino like us. his English is more American and his spelling is nothing to be desired and then Filipinos is more respectful on others ideas and beliefs and this guy is just the other way around. Maybe you should ask him where in the world did he pop up from.

[t_hunter44]

hey if this is how u want to run ur site. go for it.
i dont see how peoples beliefs in god, the bible, or any other kind of other belief should be allowed to pollute the entire forum.
if these people want to turn this forum into some kind of circus then, have fun!
u r allowing some kind of weird cult to form here. these cult leaders are preaching that they have some sort of supernatural powers and abilities and people are believing them.
maybe it doesnt upset u to watch this but it does me and i have never been one to hold my tongue when i see there is something clearly wrong.
maybe this question of mine needed to be posted twice cuz i cant think of anyone ever asking it??  so so soooo sorry for breakin the rules and all
there is so much guardian talk on this forum that i really dont even care if u ban me.
u can keep ur "freedom of speech" forum

      If this forum is that bad, you wouldn't even be here. BAN, why not just fade away and we will just consider you as a bad and stinky wind that came and gone. We were doing just fine until you came along and this forum will be much better off without you . Just MY opinion and in all actuality you have not contributed one bit of useful information here.

[admin]

This is not the place for this. Go to the BELIEFS Forum at the RANT AND RAVE Area.
Thanks for your understanding..
TW

[DINDO BAYAUA]

I just left yesterday morning and an IDIOT came here. Can't he read the title of the THREAD? This is P A R A N OR M A L. If he don't like it, then he can leave us in peace.

Second point. This forum is about "South East Asian Treasure". If that person only read the history of South East Asia, there is a culture of Mysticism in the whole region. The treasure here especially the buddha figure evolves on Mysticism. If he is not amenable on this, he is very very welcome to leave the forum.

[franke]

Sir Admin, T-hunter and Db,

THANK YOU, Yes! I think pinoytreasure is not filipino anyway. What I'm asking here is idea and knowledge of our fellow th expert. co'z this case is not mention in other thread or I'm just mislead. The essence of this topic is to open ideas of others for not being victimize for some unfair minded, than being helpful to others to be succeed , co'z somebody encounter this case their going to sale their house for the exchange of small amount as way of running their problems..This is a true situation and sir db already mentioned that it is between the th diggers and the guardian could make the agreement or contract by the way of others who has knowledge and capacity. And also Sir AngelVictory your true, we already know their needs as a exchange for the loot what they are guarding. But another questions here, how to do that without the malice and suspect of our neighbor and community?
Sorry, if some english or grammar is not correct, I'm a 100% filipino hahaha..