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Offline japhiem

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Buy and sell of gold
« on: September 19, 2012, 05:09:13 AM »
Good day mga sirs. I have a plan to buy and sell gold for a business. being a member to this site and i consider all member here as my brother and sister i would like to ask for an advice into this venture. i don't have experience in this field so i need an advice. all the help is much appreciated. i thanks all in advance.....

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2012, 12:21:06 AM »
japhiem,

allow me the one to first reply on your post.

first..and obviously mandatory..... know how to id real gold, there are many ways and combination of ways how to id genuine gold....
            i use nitric acid, with gold scratched in blacktone(not accureate needs experience), or much accurate, buy testing fluid for every carat or buy test needle with different carat using nitric acid....., another tool is densimeter (there is a poormans densimeter in the net, a homebuilt)

second, do you have gold buyer available in your area anytime.....what are you buying/selling? gold jewelry or button gold from mining?

third, always know the price of selling gold locally so that you can compute and estimate how much profit you will gain....

and last....go back to first.....and practice presence of mind always.....

p.s. be careful with nitric acid...check msds of nitric....

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2012, 02:18:08 PM »
Sir bfgates thank you much of your reply. I appreciated all your information given to me sir. This gold sir is from a mine. On our place small scale mining is implemented but not totally. I plan to buy the gold on site and sell it to the buyer in the city sir.

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2012, 05:21:24 PM »
Hi Japhiem,

I feel what you need about your venture, We are on the same level of buying and selling gold. I just started a week ago just to inform you that it is better for you to take the good 6 gold video training course. Perhaps this will assist you on how to compute the real costing price of buying and selling gold,silver and platinum based on the daily London Market Price. These are thoroughly explained during the gold video courses everything exactly what you need in gold finding,buying, selling, melting and refining process.My website:http://nensmac.buysgoldtoday.com
Thanks.

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2012, 10:10:22 PM »
You are welcome Japhiem! All info i have has been credited from internet, from youtube you will see a lot, just type the word you are looking...get info from many sources not just one...... from treasure hunting, i become gold refiner for now, gold buying and recycling gold..... this has become my new venture for now...just like you, into gold buying..... not just mined gold but also scrap gold and recycling gold from CPU chips.... my frustration in treasure hunting lead me to
another field which is very good for me....coz i learned the detail... Peace brother!
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2012, 12:15:32 AM »
Sir philpns:

     Thank you so much for another information it will be a big help for my plan venture sir. I notice with your email northern mindanao, it means sir that you are also located in northern mindanao? because i am from cagayan de oro, misamis oriental.

Sir bfgates:

    Again thank you so much sir. I will do what you have been told me.

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2012, 03:41:36 AM »
Hi Japhiem

Glad you replied my post.You are a teachable fellow about this enjoyable and profitable venture.You will never be scammed if you turn right of having your destiny about learning the online gold video training course is a good start.You will learn far and become resourceful and creative.My CEO Matt Wallace is a role model who now retired at the age of 24 years old having a successful gold business worldwide of 5000 members since May of this year 2012.You could imagine how great is his gold buying and selling business today.For being so young,you will still conquer new avenues about the importance of Gold buying and selling in our worst economy as of today. Be successful.You are on the right track.I started as a newbie of Gold buying,just a week ago.Already I got customers by emails and by mobile text.Yes, I can do a case to case conference with you anytime tomorrow if your are in Cagayan de Oro City.Text me at my mobile phone number 09263451258.I can stay in CDO until tomorrow afternoon only since I have to see another customer who will present their gold cubes from gold placer mines.Of course testing process is the first procedure then refined. Weigh the number of grams. Determine the world market price This is where I collected and try smaller kind of Gold bars depending on Karat level.
 Do not be surprised that I am a female gender and a retired educator. I will this leave legacy to the young generation.
God bless.

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Re: Buy and sell of gold////Smugglers control 95% of Philippine gold trade
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2012, 05:30:25 PM »
Smugglers control 95% of Philippine gold trade

Manila (Philippine Daily Inquirer/ANN) - The local gold trade is now almost completely in the hands of black market operators and the Philippines' central bank-the agency tasked with buying the precious metal from miners-is completely powerless to stop it.

This was disclosed by an official of the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (central bank) in a recent talk with reporters, who pointed out that the central monetary authority has neither the necessary resources nor the mandate to prevent gold smuggling.

"We can't stop smuggling," BSP Assistant Governor Manuel Torres said in a forum in Quezon City. "The BSP has no police powers to stop such illegal activities."
The official, who oversees the operations of the central bank's mint, refinery and printing operations in Quezon City, said that as much as 95 per cent of gold trade in the Philippines is now made through the black market.

The amount corresponds to the drop in the volume of gold sold by traders and small-scale miners to the central bank after authorities started collecting a 7-per cent tax on gold sales-consisting of a 2-per cent excise tax and a 5-per cent creditable withholding tax-since last year.
Under the law, the BSP is required to buy all the gold from local producers. Since the BIR imposed the tax at the point of sale, however, gold traders have shied away from the BSP, with most choosing to sell their precious metals to smugglers who do not impose excise taxes.


Stop gold tax, Philippine authorities urged

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 Manila/Philippine Daily Inquirer | Asia News Network – Mon, Nov 12, 2012

Manila (Philippine Daily Inquirer/ANN)

 - Four Philippine lawmakers are urging the Bureau of Internal Revenue (BIR) to suspend the tax on gold as it has drastically reduced the volume of the metal sold by small-scale producers to the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (central bank or BSP).

Officials and traders said the gold tax-made up of a 5-per cent withholding tax and a 2-per cent excise tax that the BIR started to enforce last year-was the biggest factor behind the spike in gold smuggling.

The 7-per cent tax, usually borne by the traders, is imposed on gold sales to the BSP.
Gold smuggled out of the country, much of it going to China via Hong Kong, has resulted in a 95-per cent drop in gold purchases by the central bank. Under the law, small miners should sell their gold to the central bank.

Cagayan de Oro Representative Rufus Rodriguez said Internal Revenue Commissioner Kim Henares should immediately scrap the tax, while Senator Gregorio Honasan Jr. suggested that the tax be suspended until the BIR had plugged all the loopholes in the tax system.
"The gold tax is a glaring case of bad taxation. It is doing more harm than good because it is a big flop in raising government revenue and it is hurting our financial stability," Rodriguez said.
He noted that the biggest victims of the excise tax were small miners from Mount Diwalwal in Mindanao.

Honasan, a member of the Senate ways and means committee, said: "I don't think we should continue with something that is clearly not working as expected. I agree that gold should be taxed, but I don't think it should be done this way. The BIR must come up with a better strategy on how to tax gold sales but until then, it should put this to a stop."
Production down

The Mines and Geosciences Bureau (MGB) reported that gold production fell 26 per cent to 51.21 billion pesos (US$126 million) in the first half largely due to the 95-per cent drop in gold purchases of the BSP with the imposition of a tax (initially pegged at 12 per cent in October last year and reduced to 5 per cent in April this year).

The MGB estimated that the central bank purchased only a little over 9 per cent of all the gold produced in the country, down from 74 per cent a year ago.

Two vice chairs of the House ways and means committee, Isabela Rep. Giorgidi Aggabao and Nueva Ecija Rep. Rodolfo Antonino, were also alarmed by the country's shrinking gold reserves.
"Obviously, smuggling accounts for the low gold inventory. But the trouble with lifting the tax is it will benefit equally the big-time gold mining companies and not just the community miners who eke out [a living by producing] a few ounces every day and who are most prone to avoid taxes," Aggabao said.

Stricter oversight
Aggabao said that while he believed that the tax should stay, the BIR should get its act together.
"True, the tax fosters a lucrative parallel grey market, but the solution is stricter oversight, especially on small mining activities," he said.
Antonino said the BIR should explain in a hearing the result of the implementation of the gold tax in the last 12 months to enable members of the House ways and means committee to act on the troubling decline in gold reserves.

Patrick Caoile, treasurer of the Philippine Mine Safety and Environment Association, said the BIR clearly "miscalculated" the gold tax as it not only failed to deliver the targeted increase in revenue, but also put at risk the country's gold reserves.

"The BSP needs to replenish its gold reserves. The BSP normally gets its gold from small miners but since the gold tax forced them to ship out their haul outside the country, the BSP will be forced to buy gold from other countries and at a premium. It is possible that we might be buying the same gold that came from our small miners," Caoile said.

He said the tax would work if the government forced all miners to sell all their gold to the government.

"It's been more than a year since it sapped the gold tax, and I doubt if the BIR has seen the pot of gold it has been looking for. The least the BIR should do is to take long, hard look at its gold tax policy. There is nothing bad in saying mea culpa," Caoile said in a phone interview.
Prices to go up
Caoile warned the BIR against taking a hardline stance on the gold tax in the face of expectations that gold prices would shoot up from $1,700 to $3,000 per ounce amid a further weakening of the US and European economies.

"Many investors believe that the [reelection of US President] Barack Obama will lead American planners to double the money supply and increase inflation, an excellent scenario for higher gold prices. If our gold continues to go out due to the gold tax, our central bank will be forced to buy gold at higher prices," Caoile said.

The Philippines, the world's 18th largest gold miner, produced just over 1 million troy ounces of gold in 2011, worth $1.6 billion at current prices, said a Reuters special report titled "Philippines' black market is China's golden connection."

The report, which came out in August, said about 56 per cent of that came from small-scale miners.

Foreigners on tourist visa
Leo Jasareno, MGB head, told Reuters that the government was aware that gold from small-scale mines either passed through traders on the black market or was sold directly from mines to foreigners coming in on a tourist visa.
"We have heard a lot of rumours about that-that it is being sold in Binondo (Chinatown)," he said.

Traders and officials say it looks like much of the gold is going to Hong Kong, the main conduit for gold flows into China.
Hong Kong's top source of gold imports from 2005 to 2010 was the Philippines, official data from the Chinese territory shows. Philippine gold shipments to Hong Kong hit a peak of 81,471 kilogrammes in 2010, way above imports of just 11 kg nine years earlier, and were steady at 81,192 kg in 2011, according to Reuters.

Hong Kong customs regulations require that all trade or business related to gold shipments be registered with authorities, but they do not put restrictions on gold carried by passengers.
Official statistics in the Philippines, reflecting legal exports, show gold exports to Hong Kong in 2010 and 2011 at just around 3 per cent of the total volume recorded by Hong Kong authorities.

The Philippine data represent only shipments by big mining firms with supply contracts, as exports of gold from small-scale mines are banned. Officials from the statistics office could not explain the discrepancy, saying the data were based on records of the Bureau of Customs.
The strong demand for gold in the Philippines is also shown by foreign groups placing regular ads in newspapers announcing "buying events" for gold jewellery at swanky hotels in Metro Manila.

The announcements, usually full-page ads, have been going on for months.
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Re: Buy and sell of gold////Smugglers control 95% of Philippine gold trade
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2012, 08:31:40 PM »
Well, Gee, the Central Bank has to go out into the global market and purchase gold because it does not get enough from the small miners.  Ugh, err, what happened to the 1,000's of tons the Military and the political's like Marcos and Aquino rounded up.  Did that all get spent on private shopping trips ??  It was in the CB in 1986 when our hero Cory was installed in power.

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Smugglers control 95% of Philippine gold trade

Manila (Philippine Daily Inquirer/ANN) - The local gold trade is now almost completely in the hands of black market operators and the Philippines' central bank-the agency tasked with buying the precious metal from miners-is completely powerless to stop it.

This was disclosed by an official of the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (central bank) in a recent talk with reporters, who pointed out that the central monetary authority has neither the necessary resources nor the mandate to prevent gold smuggling.

"We can't stop smuggling," BSP Assistant Governor Manuel Torres said in a forum in Quezon City. "The BSP has no police powers to stop such illegal activities."
The official, who oversees the operations of the central bank's mint, refinery and printing operations in Quezon City, said that as much as 95 per cent of gold trade in the Philippines is now made through the black market.

The amount corresponds to the drop in the volume of gold sold by traders and small-scale miners to the central bank after authorities started collecting a 7-per cent tax on gold sales-consisting of a 2-per cent excise tax and a 5-per cent creditable withholding tax-since last year.
Under the law, the BSP is required to buy all the gold from local producers. Since the BIR imposed the tax at the point of sale, however, gold traders have shied away from the BSP, with most choosing to sell their precious metals to smugglers who do not impose excise taxes.


Stop gold tax, Philippine authorities urged

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 Manila/Philippine Daily Inquirer | Asia News Network – Mon, Nov 12, 2012

Manila (Philippine Daily Inquirer/ANN)

 - Four Philippine lawmakers are urging the Bureau of Internal Revenue (BIR) to suspend the tax on gold as it has drastically reduced the volume of the metal sold by small-scale producers to the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (central bank or BSP).

Officials and traders said the gold tax-made up of a 5-per cent withholding tax and a 2-per cent excise tax that the BIR started to enforce last year-was the biggest factor behind the spike in gold smuggling.

The 7-per cent tax, usually borne by the traders, is imposed on gold sales to the BSP.
Gold smuggled out of the country, much of it going to China via Hong Kong, has resulted in a 95-per cent drop in gold purchases by the central bank. Under the law, small miners should sell their gold to the central bank.

Cagayan de Oro Representative Rufus Rodriguez said Internal Revenue Commissioner Kim Henares should immediately scrap the tax, while Senator Gregorio Honasan Jr. suggested that the tax be suspended until the BIR had plugged all the loopholes in the tax system.
"The gold tax is a glaring case of bad taxation. It is doing more harm than good because it is a big flop in raising government revenue and it is hurting our financial stability," Rodriguez said.
He noted that the biggest victims of the excise tax were small miners from Mount Diwalwal in Mindanao.

Honasan, a member of the Senate ways and means committee, said: "I don't think we should continue with something that is clearly not working as expected. I agree that gold should be taxed, but I don't think it should be done this way. The BIR must come up with a better strategy on how to tax gold sales but until then, it should put this to a stop."
Production down

The Mines and Geosciences Bureau (MGB) reported that gold production fell 26 per cent to 51.21 billion pesos (US$126 million) in the first half largely due to the 95-per cent drop in gold purchases of the BSP with the imposition of a tax (initially pegged at 12 per cent in October last year and reduced to 5 per cent in April this year).

The MGB estimated that the central bank purchased only a little over 9 per cent of all the gold produced in the country, down from 74 per cent a year ago.

Two vice chairs of the House ways and means committee, Isabela Rep. Giorgidi Aggabao and Nueva Ecija Rep. Rodolfo Antonino, were also alarmed by the country's shrinking gold reserves.
"Obviously, smuggling accounts for the low gold inventory. But the trouble with lifting the tax is it will benefit equally the big-time gold mining companies and not just the community miners who eke out [a living by producing] a few ounces every day and who are most prone to avoid taxes," Aggabao said.

Stricter oversight
Aggabao said that while he believed that the tax should stay, the BIR should get its act together.
"True, the tax fosters a lucrative parallel grey market, but the solution is stricter oversight, especially on small mining activities," he said.
Antonino said the BIR should explain in a hearing the result of the implementation of the gold tax in the last 12 months to enable members of the House ways and means committee to act on the troubling decline in gold reserves.

Patrick Caoile, treasurer of the Philippine Mine Safety and Environment Association, said the BIR clearly "miscalculated" the gold tax as it not only failed to deliver the targeted increase in revenue, but also put at risk the country's gold reserves.

"The BSP needs to replenish its gold reserves. The BSP normally gets its gold from small miners but since the gold tax forced them to ship out their haul outside the country, the BSP will be forced to buy gold from other countries and at a premium. It is possible that we might be buying the same gold that came from our small miners," Caoile said.

He said the tax would work if the government forced all miners to sell all their gold to the government.

"It's been more than a year since it sapped the gold tax, and I doubt if the BIR has seen the pot of gold it has been looking for. The least the BIR should do is to take long, hard look at its gold tax policy. There is nothing bad in saying mea culpa," Caoile said in a phone interview.
Prices to go up
Caoile warned the BIR against taking a hardline stance on the gold tax in the face of expectations that gold prices would shoot up from $1,700 to $3,000 per ounce amid a further weakening of the US and European economies.

"Many investors believe that the [reelection of US President] Barack Obama will lead American planners to double the money supply and increase inflation, an excellent scenario for higher gold prices. If our gold continues to go out due to the gold tax, our central bank will be forced to buy gold at higher prices," Caoile said.

The Philippines, the world's 18th largest gold miner, produced just over 1 million troy ounces of gold in 2011, worth $1.6 billion at current prices, said a Reuters special report titled "Philippines' black market is China's golden connection."

The report, which came out in August, said about 56 per cent of that came from small-scale miners.

Foreigners on tourist visa
Leo Jasareno, MGB head, told Reuters that the government was aware that gold from small-scale mines either passed through traders on the black market or was sold directly from mines to foreigners coming in on a tourist visa.
"We have heard a lot of rumours about that-that it is being sold in Binondo (Chinatown)," he said.

Traders and officials say it looks like much of the gold is going to Hong Kong, the main conduit for gold flows into China.
Hong Kong's top source of gold imports from 2005 to 2010 was the Philippines, official data from the Chinese territory shows. Philippine gold shipments to Hong Kong hit a peak of 81,471 kilogrammes in 2010, way above imports of just 11 kg nine years earlier, and were steady at 81,192 kg in 2011, according to Reuters.

Hong Kong customs regulations require that all trade or business related to gold shipments be registered with authorities, but they do not put restrictions on gold carried by passengers.
Official statistics in the Philippines, reflecting legal exports, show gold exports to Hong Kong in 2010 and 2011 at just around 3 per cent of the total volume recorded by Hong Kong authorities.

The Philippine data represent only shipments by big mining firms with supply contracts, as exports of gold from small-scale mines are banned. Officials from the statistics office could not explain the discrepancy, saying the data were based on records of the Bureau of Customs.
The strong demand for gold in the Philippines is also shown by foreign groups placing regular ads in newspapers announcing "buying events" for gold jewellery at swanky hotels in Metro Manila.

The announcements, usually full-page ads, have been going on for months.

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Re: Buy and sell of gold////Smugglers control 95% of Philippine gold trade
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2012, 11:19:55 PM »
Well, Gee, the Central Bank has to go out into the global market and purchase gold because it does not get enough from the small miners.  Ugh, err, what happened to the 1,000's of tons the Military and the political's like Marcos and Aquino rounded up.  Did that all get spent on private shopping trips ??  It was in the CB in 1986 when our hero Cory was installed in power.

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    Marcos and now Cory Aquino. You seem to have a problem with the past presidents of the Philippines and what do you know about Cory Aquino and what has she to do with with those thousands of gold bars?  The subject is about Smugglers 95% Control  of the Gold Trade, that is NOW and Not the PAST, stick to the topic.

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2012, 01:44:48 AM »
Well t-hunter, get your nose out of the mud and learn some of the history of the Philippines.  I know they don't teach much in a tribal school.

Marcos vs Roxas.

Dan Cathcart won the judgment equal to over 3,000 metric tons of gold hijacked.  But again that was long before you grew up.  (this was a far reaching judgment for principle and interest, the judgment keeps escalating as it is going for recovery)

So what did your heroine "Cory" do to recover the People Power's slice of the action.  What is that I hear, the sound of crickets in the dark ?  Oh, that's right.  The Commission for Good Government.  They must have fallen asleep on that stack of gold bars.  Don't see any good government from their activity.  Estrada and Lacson were haggling with Imelda for some recovery back to the People when they were loveed over and our good old friends Old Ramos and Enrile are back in the streets EDSA-2 to help install another one of their crooked comrades.  Oh that's right Gloria is in jail as well, hey, how did that happen.  She was my idol my second heroine of the Philippines.  I guess getting her picture taken with Obama didn't go very far.

So t-hunter what is your problem, having a hard time picking a good horse for the race ??  If you need some help on your school work, let me know.

The next time you are in Malacanang, give them some good advise on how to run the country.

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Re: Buy and sell of gold
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2012, 11:42:43 AM »
ZOBEX, your Post is still out of Topic and I will Delete your post that is unrelated to the topic. You can initiate your own thread on the subject of Corrupt Politicians of the Philippines and you can do your verbal attack as much as you wish. When one reads the thread of Buy and Sell of Gold and then your Negative Politically Motivated post about Politicians comes out in the topic which is out of context, quiet irritating and out of place. Wise up and Go with the Flow and you are No Exception.
      If I need any help in my School Work, to let you know, that I have to turn you down as you learned your Philippine History from a Tribal School and they are not up to my standard. Maybe the History they know is just limited within their domain, outside, they know nothing as they live in their own world, ignorant on what is happening outside.You learned your Philippine History on a Tribal School and on the Internet. At High School we have Philippine History, by the book, keep up with the times living on the Island, in other words we were there, you are not. All of us knows that the Internet is a good source of information but not all information provided there is true, except maybe you and it shows. Recent History, from the Internet, some true, some biased so I am kind of picky when I read articles on the internet, I do not believe all of it, unlike you, you seem to believe everything you read and you're pretty adept in copy and paste, good for you but do not expect us to believe all your copy and paste.
    Just to remind you, again, you post irrelevant matters on a particular topic and it will be deleted, your choice.
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Re: Buy and sell of gold/// BSP backs clamor for review of gold tax
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2012, 06:22:43 PM »

I'm posting topics like this since it's relevant to thread's title "Buy and sell of Gold" and whatever the issues, points, the pros and the cons about decisions of continuing or taking off the tax on Phil. gold sales, whatever effects it may bring to the Philippine government specifically and to the Gold mining industry stakeholders generally, this only shows democracy is very much alive and well in our country.

I know in later processes, we will learn mistakes from our miscalculations and will move to the betterment of our nation the Philippines.

These does not however give a foreign individual the liberty and freedom to degrade us, however, we the common Filipino people has always have the right to declare ingrates like ZOBEX, "persona non grata". You don't deserve to enjoy the luxury of living well in this country,.
The country Zobex despises so much as rotten yet Zobex enjoyed very much to be in here?---Again, Zobex if this country is no good for you, why are you still here???--go back to where you belong!!!.
This is our country, yes you might have the privilege to come and stay but such privilege carries with it the responsibility to respect us Filipinos.
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Ben

BSP backs clamor for review of gold tax

The Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP) has joined the clamor for a review of the 7-percent tax on gold sales, believing that the smuggling of the precious metal out of the country could become even more rampant if the tax issue remained unresolved.

Asked to comment on criticisms of the taxes on gold sales, BSP Deputy Governor Diwa Guinigundo said there was indeed merit to the proposal for the Bureau of Internal Revenue (BIR) to soften its stance on the gold tax.

But while legislators are calling for the removal of the gold tax, the BSP’s proposal is to adjust the method of computing the taxes on gold sales.

The BSP is the one authorized to buy gold mined within the country. Proceeds of gold sold to the BSP are charged a 5-percent creditable withholding tax and a 2-percent excise tax. Said taxes are computed based on the gross amount of gold sales.

But under the current tax system, only those who directly sell gold to the BSP are taxed.

From mining sites, gold is sold from one trader to another. The last trader—the nearest to one of the BSP’s gold-buying sites and the final seller of the gold to the BSP—is the one charged by the BIR with the taxes totaling 7 percent.

To ensure the immediate collection of the taxes, the BIR has set up desks in all of the five gold-buying sites of the BSP—Baguio City, Quezon City, Naga City, Davao City and Zamboanga City.

“Congress and BIR would have to work out a practical, acceptable, realistic base [rather than the gross amount of gold] on which to apply the tax rates,” Guinigundo said.

“It would appear, therefore, to be more practical to do the adjustment before the tax rates are applied. Otherwise, we might be seeing more black-market disposition of local gold in the global markets. Tax revenues would also be reduced in the process,” the BSP official added.

Because of the controversial tax, significant amounts of gold are believed to be smuggled out of the country.

The BSP admitted that the volume of gold it bought had shrunk significantly since last year, when the BIR strictly enforced the collection of taxes on gold sales by setting up desks in the BSP’s gold-buying sites.

To address the issue, Congress plans to revise the controversial gold tax together with other precious metals under the proposed reforms in revenue-sharing in the new executive order (EO) signed by President Aquino last July.

“We cannot stop the BIR from collecting the gold tax because it is the law. Congress can only change this if we enact new mining taxes under EO 79. Until then, we just hope the Bangko Sentral can replenish its gold reserves from other sources,” said Davao City Rep. Isidro T. Ungab, chair of the House ways and means committee.

Ungab said his district had a “firsthand” knowledge of the harsh effect of the gold tax on small miners at the Mount Diwalwal gold find in Compostela Valley and the Davao region, which accounts for the bulk of gold sold by small miners in the country.

“It’s a very serious issue especially in my province where the small miners prefer to sell their gold find in the black market rather than pay the 7 percent tax to the Bangko Sentral,” Ungab said.

With BIR Commissioner Kim Henares refusing to give in to calls from lawmakers to suspend the gold tax, Ungab said the government should at least ensure that it would implement it more efficiently and plug the loopholes for smuggling.

“It’s a good issue to look into. We need to control the industry. We have to check what is doable. But personally, I feel this will not be finished within this Congress,” Ungab said.

But for the Mining and Geosciences Bureau (MGB), all the government had to do was to give a little encouragement to small-scale miners and tighten up against the illegal mining of the precious metal.

“We just have to convince them that it pays to pay taxes,” MGB director Leo Jasareno told the Inquirer, adding the BSP had started meeting with small-scale miners to urge them to sell their gold to the government.

He agreed that the drop in sales of gold to the BSP was alarming. In previous years, an average of 30 tons of gold was sold annually to the BSP.

But last year, only 5 tons were sold to the BSP, mostly by large-scale mining firms, he said. “We could expect that the rest were sold by small-scale miners in the underground market.”

Environment Secretary Ramon Paje estimated the drop in gold sales to the BSP at 80 percent but would not say if it was due to the gold tax. With a report from Jeannette I. Andrade

Originally posted: 10:58 pm | Monday, November 12th, 2012

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 A small-scale miner takes a break after taking out sacks of gold ore from a tunnel at the Acupan mines in Itogon, Benguet province. But there is still no light at the end of the tunnel for cutting taxes on gold sales. RICHARD BALONGLONG / INQUIRER NORTHERN LUZON
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