something in mind

[stickyboy]

Mining is a very challenging profession or hobby (also expensive). Since I belong in a geographical location with promising positive results in mining, making things happen is much harder compare in studying the subject. As a person that considering this field as a long term goal and lifelong achievement purchasing materials would not be simple since the completion of the device takes time. I didn’t finish college but having a engineering backgrounds, considering the work locations can be hard to dig I am planning to make my own design with similarities with some borehole drilling machine(since bore hole machine are expensive).  Can a drilling the ground Ex. using  6” diameter drill bits using a improvised boring machine can be effective?  Prospecting gold can be also challenging but with the use of bore hole prospecting underneath can be more easier. I am a residence somewhere in Bukidnon and planning to purchase some in more isolated areas. Thus vertical boring near bed rocks can be more productive compare to horizontal along the bedrocks? 
Well this is  just a plan for now and some would have a different perception with this post. This is just my way of gathering more ideas before the building the reality.
Some of my idea is to bore a hole then if positive is to pump  a pressurize water underneath and pumpout like in dregging, Then run into some sluicebox. Making the ground hallow ….  My main objective is to mine gold without getting inside the hole as much a possible. 

[renantiur]

i have a borehole impact drill machine. but i find it hard to treasure hunt with that machine.two years ago, i failed in all my treasure hunting endeavors.

can you give us an idea of how your dream drilling machine would look like? im interested because you might give me an idea of where i went wrong.

[ghost]

Stickyboy, your idea is good if you hit a good pay dirt or pay streak as other say it. This is gravel and sand layer below the over burden and above the bed rock. But you have to have many boreholes and a good suction machine to bring it above ground and a steady supply of water at the other hole to have a continuous flow of materials from your suction to the sluice box or other equipment you desire in catching the gold. Try it first on a small scale project before putting all your bet on the big one. My simple contribution to your topic my friend. 

[t_hunter44]

Stickyboy, your idea is good if you hit a good pay dirt or pay streak as other say it. This is gravel and sand layer below the over burden and above the bed rock. But you have to have many boreholes and a good suction machine to bring it above ground and a steady supply of water at the other hole to have a continuous flow of materials from your suction to the sluice box or other equipment you desire in catching the gold. Try it first on a small scale project before putting all your bet on the big one. My simple contribution to your topic my friend. 

    Those boreholes you are talking about, is that on dry land or on water, like on a creek bed perhaps?Reason I asked is how do you suck up the coveted material in that borehole, it has to have water, right?

[ghost]

As Stickyboy put it, it has to be in dry land and somewhere in Bukidnon. I have said in my explanation that there should be a steady supply of water at the other hole (borehole) to have a continuous flow from the suction hole (another borehole). There should be two holes close to each other, I should say before the you can do it. I hope I explained it more clearer this time.

[stickyboy]

thanks to all response Sir's, the idea is to locate a good digging ground and to recover it using customize drillbits since gold is not always in bedrock, the point is you can design a drillbits that can drill a larger hole using same motor with same force needed and acts like excavator depending on the hole like in horizontal which getting the dirt from the hole is much more easier. as what my father says a gold viens is not always hard as what seen in some post. like what they call snowbear  in san fernando owns with some Datu which does not require a diamond tip drillbits to bore. to some i may be out of my mind but im not doing this as my livelihood but rather making ideas in reality.knowledge that learned to some videos and articles.
my plan is just to build a bore hole that can mount a different sizes of drilbits since that i have a better job now, i can spent a little for this project a couple of agle bars, steel bars, electric motor, gearbox since we dont need the speed but rather the force or torque i think, welding machine some power tolls that i owned already its just like a tbm in the most simplistic form.  the advantage to me is that most of my tools can be use in the field of our livelihood and not a waste of money.
To Sir Ren, i think mining is different from hunting. since i will not purchase a land without studying the area like its geological properties like in libona or san fernando which gives the identification that gold can be mined in the said location ,and the boring idea will come after surface prospecting so in this point the first boring procedure that be made is just to locate the area in which the mining   can be done before using or enlarging the drillbits for a larger hole and more recovery of paydirt.
so i cant gave any idea to your bore machine since the purpose of your drilling is not clear to me.
thanks to all who share their knowledge since its a long term goal to me what i just can present soon is some sketch plan of my project that to be hopefully done in reality.
 

[renantiur]

THUNTER 44 SAID:

xxxxxxxxxBut you have to have many boreholes and a good suction machine to bring it above ground and a steady supply of water at the other hole to have a continuous flow of materials from your suction to the sluice box or other equipment you desire in catching the gold. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

YES. T HUNTER IS RIGHT, you need a good suction machine. Mine has two suction machines. but it is a separate machine from the main impact drill machine. actually my suction machines are the manual suction machines (which can work with less water supply) and the automotive suction machine which consist of a simple ricefield water pump .

1. manual suction machine.
                              This manual suction machine works with lesser water supply. the impact drilling machine is just there . drilling manually like it is hitting the ground similar to making a simple jetmatic water pump.  but the borehole drillbit must be heavy enough  and sharp enough (my first drillbit weights around 200-300 kilos estimate weight) while my 2nd borehole drillbit weights around 80 kilos but it is sharp. this 2nd drillbit is effective only for soil layers which are clay type and not those which are hard enough.

                         The idea there is you make a hole manually. dig for around 1 feet and then you put water into the said hole. after that, you can start boring the ground using the impact type of drilling. up and down and up and down. the water placed in the said hole will help the said drillbit from loosing the hardness of the groundlayers.   AFTER SEVERAL IMPACTS, you can remove the drillbit and you start getting the dirt and water using the manual suction machine. its like a huge metal pipe thrown underground with the idea that the dirt suctioned will be placed in the said pipe like its a one huge container. you do it repeatedly until all the dirt and water bored and drilled are removed. Then you place water on the hole again, and the repeat the same procedure.    this works best if you have a hose and a constant water supply.   this type of drilling and suctioning manually the dirt is only applicable for very hard layers of soil because it is so tedious and time consuming. The impact drillbit used here is you throw the said 200-300 kilos drillbit  to the ground with the said drillbit connected by a metal cable.

                     The 2nd suctioning machine is the customized and automotive. The water pump normally found on ricefields is customized by connecting the tube attached to the water  pump  and the tube attached to the drillbit.   the 200-300 kilos drillbit is not attached to the metal cable but it is attached to several connected pipes serving as a rope or a metal cable. hence, the said metal pipes attached to the drillbit serves like a rope and a hose where the water is supplied and suctioned.   there is a constant suctioning of dirt underground and a constant supply of water.
 
   
STICKYBOY SAID

. I have said in my explanation that there should be a steady supply of water at the other hole (borehole) to have a continuous flow from the suction hole (another borehole). There should be two holes close to each other, I should say before the you can do it.

                 STICKBOY IS CORRECT. THERE SHOULD BE A STEADY SUPPLY OF WATER AT THE OTHER HOLE TO HAVE A CONTINUOUS FLOW OF WATER FROM THE SUCTION HOLE.

             IN MY EXPERIENCE, it is faster and effective if you use the customized suction type because you need not remove the drillbit anymore and use the manual suctioning pipe.  you always drill and all the dirt will just come out using the water supplied constantly on the ground. its like when you drill and push water underground, once that drillbit impacts on the ground, the dirt loosened by the impacts and the drillbit will go up and will pass through the 2nd hole attached to the drillbit.

[renantiur]

like what they call snowbear  in san fernando owns with some Datu which does not require a diamond tip drillbits to bore. YOU ARE NOT OUT OF YOUR MIND STICKBOY. I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE. MY DRILLBIT DOES NOT HAVE A DIAMOND DRILLBIT. ITS ONLY PURE BUT VERY HEAVY AND SHARP METALS (WEIGHS AROUND 200-300 KILOS ).  THE SAID DRILLBIT HAS ALREADY BROKEN BEDROCKS REPEATEDLY AND FOR SEVERAL TIMES. THE DEEPEST HOLE BORED BY THE SAID DRILLING MACHINE IS AROUND 190 FEET IN CALINAN, DAVAO CITY. THAT AREA IS SO HARD THAT MANY IMPACT DRILLERS WOULD SURRENDER. BUT WITH IMPACT DRILLING SUPPLEMENTED BY A BIG MOTOR MACHINE, THE IMPACT DRILLING IS SUPPLEMENTED BY THE FORCE GENERATED BY THE BIG MOTOR MACHINE. 

WE WERE ABLE TO GENERATE A HUGE SUPPLY OF WATER IN ONE AREA IN CALINAN. THE AREA OWNED BY THE FLOREINDOS. IT IS SAID THAT THE SAID AREA WAS A FORMER MILITARY BARRACKS AND A BLACKSMITH AREA FOR THE JAPANESE. we were hired to get a steady supply of water but the said area was being developed supposedly into a big swimming pool and resort area.   

there were several huge boulders underground when we drilled. some boulders were broken during the drilling but first hole that we drilled was just too much. we were not able to break the boulder at around 10 feet. hence, we made another hole to drill.





my plan is just to build a bore hole that can mount a different sizes of drilbits. you dont need a bore hole and a drillbit. that bore hole if so heavy and slightly sharp can break bedrocks already.   


 since that i have a better job now, i can spent a little for this project a couple of agle bars, steel bars, electric motor, gearbox since we dont need the speed but rather the force or torque i think, welding machine some power tolls that i owned already its just like a tbm in the most simplistic form.  the advantage to me is that most of my tools can be use in the field of our livelihood and not a waste of money.  YES. MY MACHINE IS ALSO CUSTOMIZED. THE IDEA THERE IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THOSE FOUND IN THE MARKET. THE IDEA IS TAKEN FROM THOSE WHO HAVE MADE DRILLING THEIR SOURCE OF LIVELIHOOD.  THEIR WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE BUILDING OF THIS  MACHINE  (ACTUALLY, THIS IS JUST A SIMPLE DRILLING MACHINE BUT A VERY EFFECTIVE ONE- EFFECTIVE IN DRILLING BUT NEVER IN RECOVERING GOLD. HEHEHE).



MY PURPOSE WHY I HAVE THOSE MACHINE BUILT WAS SOLELY to recover treasures. but i failed in that aspect because you need to spend for the labor of those drillers, food, transportation, and others.  i have several treasure hunting activities before but i never came close to having recovered even a single bar of gold.  it was just more of a trial and error. but I HAVE SEVERAL OBSERVATIONS during my drilling escapades.  i can share it to this forum later . 
 

[renantiur]

the idea of drilling as against detecting treasures with high tech gadgets and scanners  was well supported by KIZUNA.  kizuna had this idea that gadgets and scanners can give you false signals while drilling and getting the dirts drilled from underground are physical evidences that can never deceive your eyes.   

the drilling sampling and exploration is similar to those used in mining. only that in mining, they have this 5 million to 10 million huge equipment imported from abroad. this equipment is bought by MGB-mindanao and being leased to several mining companies here in davao del norte.

this huge drilling machine used by mining companies uses diamond drillbits.  the big difference between this machine and my machine is that in the former, they can get samples effectively.  their samples are not mixed and immersed in water because their drilling does not require water.  their samples are dry and are being retrieved with accuracy as to the depth where the said samples were taken..  in my drilling machine, the samples retrieved underground are already mixed with water  and you will not know what feet was that sample retrieved. their is a 5 feet differential. there is a time lapse between the time that you have hit the said sample and the time that the said sample is being recovered and suctioned upstairs.

[renantiur]

in a few days from now, i will share my experiences in drilling and my failed treasure hunting activities. somehow, those who have ideas about drilling can also give their observation and give comments.   i just need a little more time because writing in this forum can only be done during my extra time.   

[renantiur]

1st experience- drilled in an area repeatedly visited by the JAPANESE. A 300 SQM residential area being offered to buy for 17million by the japanese through a filipino friend.

                 found a very hard cement at almost 20 feet.destroyed the said hard cement in less than a day. found rusted batteries and wires. found several destroyed metal items. found charcoals, different strata and different sand and soil layers. found several cement layers. hit a very hard cement layer at around 45 feet . pounded  the hard cement layer with a 200-300 drillbit for  3 days. on the early morning of the 4th day, the said very hard cement layer can no longer be found. what was most surprising was, the drillbit can be found at around 50 feet already (we measured the metal cable attached to the heavy drill bit every 2 hours) . and everytime we pound the hole, we can hear a very hallow and echoing sound.  nobody can give us an idea as to how that happened. everybody in our group agreed that the cement chamber or layer might have transferred to another chamber. i have heard of stories about a sliding concrete chamber before. and we presumed that we might have encountered one.  the sad part of the said expedition was we cannot transfer to another area anymore because the said area where we can explore is a house. the owner does not want us to drill anymore. she had enough of our treasure hunting folly that she decided to put a stop to our drilling activity.

[renantiur]

the said area can be found at buhangin, davao city

[ghost]

Core sampling and boring hole is two different ways. Mining industry uses core sampling to know how deep, what layer of soil, rocks, minerals, etc is on the site. The material is trap inside the drilling tube to be analyzed later (mostly done on a lab) when the operation hits it's desired target depth. Boring is just sticking drill bits of any size to the ground whether with water pressure going to the blades on just a spiral blade, to create a hole in the ground and then collecting the samples at the top to be analyzed and the depth can be guessed due to how many connecting tubes or rods you added in drilling the hole. Just my simple contribution. 

[stickyboy]

Sir Ren has a sad and great experiences although both can give us a good knowledge and ideas, i just want to know if all of your mining activities are all vertical assuming 270 deg. because in my case most of my prospects are can be operated with horizontal boring, the statement that i said before using suction are just example if it will be the case, so the process of getting the pay dirt can be possibly done with out blasting water inside., upon hearing your projects i can assume already that its a big time operation already. owning machines like that can be productive compare to some, that if you can hit a good ground.  .200-300kg of a drill bits wow.. i have seen some cost 15k but small, ohh 300kg drillbits hmm how large is the hole diameter Sir? after the drilling and suction the process of recovering gold can also a challenging work . but i think you do not need anymore a ballmill or a crusher since the paydirt are aleady pounded by those impact drill and pressurize water. may i know sir what kind of machines you use i those boring machines, can a slow rotating machines can also be able to do the job? since i am thinking a drill bit like a pipe with a blade on the tip 2 to 3 blades forming y on the tip perpendicular to the pipe, large enough inside to contain a mini conveyor. the body does not rotate only the tip but in a slow motion, reduces the speed by using gearbox and also to give a more force on its torque so that the possibility of crushing the surface can be more effectively.. can you give any idea or comment in to that Sir?
BTW Sir thanks to all who share their ideas. 

[renantiur]

Sir Ren has a sad and great experiences although both can give us a good knowledge and ideas, i just want to know if all of your mining activities are all vertical assuming 270 deg.(yes. vertical. from up to down. mine is an impact driller akin or similar to the type where you have to pull up and down the heavy drill.  however, it is not a manual driller because it is supported with a large machine-i dont know the hp or the horsepower of that machine. maybe i will have to check it later.  )

because in my case most of my prospects are can be operated with horizontal boring, the statement that i said before using suction are just example if it will be the case, so the process of getting the pay dirt can be possibly done with out blasting water inside., upon hearing your projects i can assume already that its a big time operation already. owning machines like that can be productive compare to some, that if you can hit a good ground.  .200-300kg of a drill bits wow..  its not really big time. i had a substantial and extra savings before that i decided to hire a mechanical engineer whose source of livelihood is really drilling for water . that business was handed down from generation to generation by his forefathers. hence, his engineering background about mechanical machines and his experience as a driller contributed to the idea of that customized drilling machine. i contracted him to make a drilling machine designed for breaking bedrocks and hard to break cements.  it was not only a drilling machine akin to a drilling machine for jetpumps but it was customized to break hard cements.  for the design and stell works, machine, cables and others, i paid and spent a regretable 300th. i paid for his talent and experience also-  not only the machine.   although i had a substantial savings before, i lost a fortune now. you add all my lifetime savings being funneled to a failed fishing business venture and all those treasure hunting and drilling activites at various sites, and you can imagine that all my savings went down the drain. nothing is left today. i am now only a mere observer but still rekindling the passion for treasure hunting.

i have seen some cost 15k but small, ohh 300kg drillbits hmm how large is the hole diameter Sir? im not a mechanically inclined guy nor i have the slightest idea about diameters of the hole of the drill. but in my estimate, it is bigger than your legs or 1.5 times bigger than your head . that is pure metal and no hollow part. the tip has metals attached to it making it more heavier than your usual drill.  in my observation also, the said drill bit cannot be carried by three persons or 4 persons by sheer brute force. that is why i am not really sure about the kilos of the said drillbit because we have no big weighing machine similar to that used for weighing copra.  we can carey the said drillbit only by using a fan belt of a truck machine.  by attaching the said fan belt and by using a big metal pipe serving as a tool where the said 4 guys can get a firm grip and hold of the metal pipe, the said drillbit can now be carried and transported. if no fanbelt and metal pipe is used, the drillbit cannot be carried by the 4 guys as all of them cannot get a firm grip and hold one and at the same time.maybe it is not really really that heavy but it might only be a matter of space and having a firm grip on the said drillbit.  the said drillbit is attached to a very big metal cable serving as a rope or in some other areas where we can use water and suction, big metal pipes are used to connect the drillbit , instead of the big metal cable serving as a connecting rope.

after the drilling and suction the process of recovering gold can also a challenging work . but i think you do not need anymore a ballmill or a crusher since the paydirt are aleady pounded by those impact drill and pressurize water. may i know sir what kind of machines you use i those boring machines, can a slow rotating machines can also be able to do the job? i dont know about your slow rotating machine. but for me, the machine that we have used is bigger and faster. that was a brand new machine costing round 60-70 th philippine pesos and stands around 3 feet. im not really sure about that.   

the machine we have used is similar to those used for  since i am thinking a drill bit like a pipe with a blade on the tip 2 to 3 blades forming y on the tip perpendicular to the pipe, large enough inside to contain a mini conveyor. the body does not rotate only the tip but in a slow motion, reduces the speed by using gearbox and also to give a more force on its torque so that the possibility of crushing the surface can be more effectively.. can you give any idea or comment in to that Sir? i have no idea about that.   mine is a rotating machine attached to various conveyors and mechanical parts. there are i think 3-4 conveyors where the said conveyors are attached to some mechanical housing.   the said rotating machine is attached to the housing of vaarious conveyors.   there are two fan belts and one big ordinary rope attaached to a big metal cable.    that ordinary but big rope is only need if you want to operate the machine and drill bit manually. meaning you push the rope up and down in an effortless manner (because of the rotating machine) and the drillbit will go up and down boring the ground and breaking soils underneath.   you can also operate it mechanically by connecting a third fan belt where you will just push the button and the drillbit will just go up and down.  you see, i have a hard time explaining it to you because i am not a mechanically inclined guy. i dont know the terms or names used for the said machine also.