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Offline Yojuyo

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I got my UMD 301011 today, its very confusing,  I test it with several irons, coin and 22k gold chain, WTF, it wont react on the 22k it detects metal but 22k au...... But ill give it a little more time to study this, Im hoping I can get more positive data on this MD before the actual commando testing on tuesday  ;D

Yojuyo, sorry to tell you, the UMD device will not nor ever detect Gold.  In fact the Chinese seller specifically says it is not a very sensitive machine and that it won't detect Gold beyond 2-3 cm from the loop coil on the unit.  You can find iron and some aluminum objects, in particular if they are rusty and rusty in the ground thus making a mineralization halo about them.  So if you have a gold bar say 5cm away from the loop coil, MAYBE you can detect it.

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Thanks for that clarifying info Sire Z, as from now I have at least I 3m detection on Iron,  If the throw away yellow bricks will be place inside an ammunition box then thats good news for this machine  ;D, will better CSI will help too and A1 info from the vets  ;D.... 
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as i have said you jo jo , metal detectors cannot detect japanese looted items. they are more smart than western manufactures of metal detectors. they were very ahead of their time.

for ordinary metal detectors, you can only detect decoy loads or objects. decoy objects are mere stones with gold dust.


you will only be wasting your money

Will sire if your taliking about a GL site, no detectors will penetrates its deep, for my readings the shallow deep was 45 ft, but if we say a cupit deposit, like what had been accidentally uncovered in Calatrava, only a 2 m deep and place inside an ammunition box then even the cheapest detector is very helpful as long as you know where to detect before start breaking anything  ;D
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The first group Japs that went back here in Phil to rerecover their hidden looted yellow bricks did not used any electronics and hightech instruments ( I dont know about the latest group (JICA)).  They only used a single L type dowsing rod but they have the most important slice of the pizza, The Genuine MAPS.  Even "Jack Carter" had used an electronic instrument on his second come back in PI when former P FM had been removed from his set.

Just sharing my bits of research.......
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any one have try this detector. i think its made by Korea and where can we buy this one ???

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Hi everyone, i'm new here.I'm from Bohol and I do metal detecting as a hobby here in Ireland.
In my opinion all metal including japanese loot can be detected by a conventional detector as long as it's beyond the detection range of your detector.But detection range has many factors,Some basic factors are the type of the soil in your site,How long is the metal object under the ground,the longer in the ground being not disturb the detection range increases.the kind of detector you are using and the size of the coil of your detector.If you're using a detector with a 12 inches coil You can detect a coin size metal object at about more or less 12 inches deep.As the size of your target increases the detection range also increases maybe a maximum of 2 to 3 ft deep more or less.
So if your using a convensional detector while searching for japanese loot your chances are very low
Except if it's 1 to 2 ft. below the ground.I think a two box detector is the cheapest tools that gives you
more chances to find some buried treasure cause it's designed for locating caches and won't detect for smaller object.
That's only my humble opinion.
THANKS

P.S. Anybody from Bohol here? I'm going home next month for 3 weeks and looking for treasure
       sites where I can try playing my new toys.just email me
   
       





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wadjidiggers,


1. consider this scenario. if you detect a gold necklace using your metal detector, that can surely be detected by a metal detector. that is a given fact.

2. but if you detect a gold necklace protected by an anti-detector, there is a 100% (not 99% but a 100%) chance that your metal detector cannot detect the said gold necklace.  you have not seen and encountered an anti-detector yet, that is why you rely heavily on metal detectors in looking for jap gold treasures.

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i also dont know how to locate for jap treasures. but i can surely conclude that your metal detector cannot locate it if the said jap treasure is protected by an anti-detector (most of them).



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i also dont know how to locate for jap treasures. but i can surely conclude that your metal detector cannot locate it if the said jap treasure is protected by an anti-detector (most of them).

what are this anti detector you mentioned sire? Dont tell me this are spirits coz I am created by Gods image and likeness so they wont matter to me.  I'll post pics tommorow on my commando sites hehehehhe ;D
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As what I said it's only my humble opinion.It's my first time heard about anti detection thingy.What I know is the HALO EFFECT that prevent your machine to detect a good target.The effect is caused by excessive target oxidation permeating the soil directly surrounding the target and is ALWAYS associated with either long term burial of an object or highly acidic soils.In scientific term it is a conductive increase in target size as seen by the metal detector's electromagnetic field.
 I would be happy if you could give me a site regarding anti detection element so that it would add my knowledge specially i'm just beginning TREASURE HUNTING as one of my hobbies.
THANKS,

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those are not of supernatural origins.   anti-detectors are based on science. i cannot tell you what those are

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As what I said it's only my humble opinion.It's my first time heard about anti detection thingy.What I know is the HALO EFFECT that prevent your machine to detect a good target.The effect is caused by excessive target oxidation permeating the soil directly surrounding the target and is ALWAYS associated with either long term burial of an object or highly acidic soils.In scientific term it is a conductive increase in target size as seen by the metal detector's electromagnetic field.
 I would be happy if you could give me a site regarding anti detection element so that it would add my knowledge specially i'm just beginning TREASURE HUNTING as one of my hobbies.
THANKS,

I personally agree with you bro. The problem with some are the detectors trying to detect more than their detectors can, some don't have good knowledge of the detectors, others don't have anything to detect at all simply because nothing is hidden there and all this can simply become an anti detection. I recall a story of a science class when the professor ask the students to explain why they cannot see the chair in front of the class. the class started writing their answers and one student after less than a minute submitted his paper with two words written as his answer and left. while his classmates continue to answer the question with a very long explanation reaching two pages for others. The professor finally got all the answers and declared that there is only one correct answer by the student who wrote just 2 words on his paper. his classmates were all amazed and ask what his answer was. The professor said his answer was "What Chair".

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As what I said it's only my humble opinion.It's my first time heard about anti detection thingy.What I know is the HALO EFFECT that prevent your machine to detect a good target.The effect is caused by excessive target oxidation permeating the soil directly surrounding the target and is ALWAYS associated with either long term burial of an object or highly acidic soils.In scientific term it is a conductive increase in target size as seen by the metal detector's electromagnetic field.
 I would be happy if you could give me a site regarding anti detection element so that it would add my knowledge specially i'm just beginning TREASURE HUNTING as one of my hobbies.
THANKS,

wadjidiggers,

         This is the explanation of Image Locator for Geo Examiner and I have one and already test to my test site but not yet in a very deep item. My point here is there are many equipment that should be meet the requirement and the equipment is the tool that can use instead of nothing. This is for our reference only no big deal if not agree.

GEO EXAMINER: instruction manual
4.1 About geophysics resistivity
FERF (FREE ELECTRON RADIATION FIELDS)
To begin all matter is made of atoms and molecules. Atoms differ in structure based on what type of molecules
they make.
The simplest molecule is that of the hydrogen atom. It consists of one proton and one electron. Hydrogen has
only one electron and other atoms easily take it away. As an example: oxygen steals two atoms of hydrogen to
form a molecule of what we know as water.
This new combination “water”, as a molecule spins at a given molecular frequency. We can disrupt this new
“water” by exciting the molecules by hitting the frequency with power. This result is best known as “micro wave
cooking”. That is why anything with water in it can be cooked, and very quickly, in a microwave oven.
By now, you probably are asking yourself how talk of atoms, molecules and microwave cooking could have
anything to do with underground location of metals.
The important thing for you to understand is the principal…that all matter has a molecular “spin” to it and that if
any type of atomic structure is excited…it produces energy!
This energy can manifest itself in many ways, heat in a microwave cup of coffee, a glow, vapor like steam or
even a smell. In our particular area of interest, this energy produces FERF…Free electron radiation fields
All FERF are detectable. Some are very weak but with the right equipment they can be detected.
In order to detect a FERF you need to know what to look for. The field of a FERF is very similar to a radio
station transmission, which starts out a perfect circle of radio waves but soon varies in shape and size due to
power and other obstacles in its way. The same can be said of a FERF.
HOW IT WORKS
The GEO EXAMINER has a variable power consumption circuit and uses very little power when the ground is
inert or poor in conductivity. It has a maximum power more than enough to allow the strongest conductor of
precious metals to show its presence. When a strong, low frequency signal is transmitted through the ground
from one set of rods to another, the wave is used as a "radio carrier". (also called a carrier wave “CW”).
The wave will take the path of least resistance to travel through the ground. That means the CW easily travels
through precious metals. If metal is in the wave's trajectory, the wave encounters low resistance along its path.
In this case, a "stronger" CW hits the receiving probe. This is how the Soil Data drops, when a highly
conductive (and therefore less resistant) target is located.
All precious metals suffer a slight deterioration due to acid rain, snow, and other chemicals. When acid and
ultra-high radiation contact metals, free electron radiation fields (FERFs) are created. The longer the object is
buried, the stronger the field.
 Therefore freshly buried targets do not indicate true readings
Carrier waves are attracted to FERFs. As the CW sinks into the ground it has to disperse. By creating a strong
charge that sinks into the ground, the CW will find the FERF, tune automatically to it and follow it.
This instrument works on underground resistivity, measuring the total ground resistance.
If it tells you of a high resistivity underground, you can bet, that there is nothing worth digging for. If, in the
contrary, the instrument shows a low value resistance on the LCD, it means that a good conductor is
absorbing the power due to a strong battery charge of the metal, producing the FERF.
Imagine if you will, the kitchen light that dims, when the starting motor of the refrigerator kicks in and takes a
big portion of the power available in the circuit

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As what I said it's only my humble opinion.It's my first time heard about anti detection thingy.What I know is the HALO EFFECT that prevent your machine to detect a good target.The effect is caused by excessive target oxidation permeating the soil directly surrounding the target and is ALWAYS associated with either long term burial of an object or highly acidic soils.In scientific term it is a conductive increase in target size as seen by the metal detector's electromagnetic field.
 I would be happy if you could give me a site regarding anti detection element so that it would add my knowledge specially i'm just beginning TREASURE HUNTING as one of my hobbies.
THANKS,

I personally agree with you bro. The problem with some are the detectors trying to detect more than their detectors can, some don't have good knowledge of the detectors, others don't have anything to detect at all simply because nothing is hidden there and all this can simply become an anti detection. I recall a story of a science class when the professor ask the students to explain why they cannot see the chair in front of the class. the class started writing their answers and one student after less than a minute submitted his paper with two words written as his answer and left. while his classmates continue to answer the question with a very long explanation reaching two pages for others. The professor finally got all the answers and declared that there is only one correct answer by the student who wrote just 2 words on his paper. his classmates were all amazed and ask what his answer was. The professor said his answer was "What Chair".

"The problem with some are the detectors trying to detect more than their detectors can, some don't have good knowledge of the detectors, others don't have anything to detect at all simply because nothing is hidden there and all this can simply become an anti detection."

Precisely!
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Sorry guys, I'm not interested  or planning to buy an expensive toys like geo examiner or whatever even if I had the money.What I do is metal detecting during weekend usually on beaches and farmland here in Ireland.It is my way of getting rid off the stress from work,the thrill while you are digging is good enough for me.I recently bought a used TF-900 with the ArchGeo Mini Logger in a very good deal.That's why I'm planning to try some treasure hunt when I'm in our coutry and I'm not expecting to find some japs loot, and if I found some by accident it's a bonus.
     I can only use a two box here while searching for manholes and pipelines cause we are allowed only to dig up to 12 inches deep in farm land.
It's my first time heard this anti detection thingy that's why I'm intrigue and asking.....but no one can explain what is this thingy.
Anyway it's no big deal for me, The most important thing is that you're happy of what you're doing.
Happy Hunting guys......

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folks,
imo,anti detektion consist of special chemical composition place in a t-site something like special matting.that's why most detektors/scanners failed to locate eventhough its within the detektion range..theres an engr. in cdo who can attest the anti detektion matters for he had a pulse induction md.he tested it in his metal target(both ferrous and non ferrous) buried 3meters deep coated with alkitran for buried au bars are mostly coated wid alkitran,his detektor picks it up/detekted the tested target.now,theres a certain area in cdo he detekted about 100+ sq meters. he had a negative reading, but theres a local official came to the area who brings a turtle type detektor,detekted the area and had a positib reading and they successfully recovered at 6ft 1 box of au bars.the engr can't believe about the recovery coz before he detekted the area he properly calibrated his PI, his PI is fully charged and in good condition.later on he realized that the JIA engr. batalion responsible in hiding their loot consist of chemist, mining engrs., geologist,etc.. in other words they are advanced.

i can attest that theres a presence of anti detektion esp. the site is properly buried and esp if a thunter uses dowsing.


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 Therefore freshly buried targets do not indicate true readings

imo, a good detektor can detek both fresh and old targets.


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"The problem with some are the detectors trying to detect more than their detectors can, some don't have good knowledge of the detectors, others don't have anything to detect at all simply because nothing is hidden there

agree!  :)
8s not d detector dat matterS most but 8s d detektoriSt dat matters best