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Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« on: August 20, 2015, 10:08:38 PM »
Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
Aug. 20, 2015 / http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/poland-looking-into-report-of-nazi-treasure-train-found/ar-BBlSjgN?ocid=mailsignout

Two people in Poland say they have found a Nazi German train cloaked in mystery since it was rumoured to have gone missing near the end of World War Two while carrying away gems and guns ahead of advancing Soviet Red Army forces.

Local authorities in Poland's southwestern district of Walbrzych said they had been contacted by a law firm representing a Pole and a German who said they had located the train and were seeking 10 percent of the value of the findings.

"Lawyers, the army, the police and the fire brigade are dealing with this," Marika Tokarska, an official at the Walbrzych district council, told Reuters. "The area has never been excavated before and we don't know what we might find."

Local news reports said the train in question went missing in 1945, packed with loot from the-then eastern German city of Breslau, now called Wroclaw and part of Poland, as the Red Army closed in at the end of World War Two.

One local media report said the train was armoured and belonged to the Wehrmacht (Nazi Germany's military).

Radio Wroclaw cited local folklore as saying the train entered a tunnel near Ksiaz Castle in the mountainous Lower Silesian region and never emerged. According to that theory, the tunnel was later closed and its location long forgotten.

According to Radio Wroclaw, the 150-metre-(495-foot)-long train was carrying guns, "industrial equipment", gems and other valuable treasure. Tokarska said she did not have any details on the location or the contents of the missing train.

Some sceptics say there is no evidence that it ever existed.

"A handful of people have already looked for the train, damaging the line in the process, but nothing was ever found," Radio Wroclaw quoted Joanna Lamparska as saying, describing her as a connoisseur of the region's history.

"But the legend has captured imaginations."

Trains were indeed used to spirit Nazi loot back to Berlin as U.S.-led Allied and Soviet forces surged towards the German capital from the west and the east in the winter and spring of 1945.

In the case of the so-called "Gold Train", Nazi forces sent 24 freight carriages from Budapest towards Germany filled with family treasures including gold, silver and valuable paintings seized from Hungarian Jews and estimated to be worth up to $200 million.

The train was intercepted by U.S. soldiers, who, according to a later U.S. investigation, helped themselves to some of the loot. (Reporting by Alexandra Hamilton; Writing by Matt Robinson; Editing by Mark Heinrich)

PHOTO: National Archives/Getty Images Workers Inspects Gold Bars Taken From Jews By The Nazi's And Stashed In The Heilbron Salt Mines May 3, 1945 In Germany. The Treasures Were Uncovered By Allied Forces After The Defeat Of Nazi Germany.

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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2015, 08:23:15 AM »
Gold hunters blocked from site of alleged Nazi gold train
August 31, 2015 / http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/gold-hunters-blocked-from-site-of-alleged-nazi-gold-train/ar-AAdNe9V?ocid=mailsignout

WARSAW, Poland (AP) Polish authorities have blocked off a wooded area near a railroad track after scores of treasure hunters swarmed southwest Poland looking for an alleged Nazi gold train.

The city of Walbrzych and its surrounding wooded hills are experiencing a gold rush after two men, a Pole and a German, informed authorities through their lawyers that they have found a Nazi train with armaments and valuables that reportedly went missing in the spring of 1945 while fleeing the Red Army.

Inspired by a local legend since World War II, people with metal detectors and ground-penetrating equipment are combing the area and its still-used railway tracks. Some of them have arrived from Germany.

The gold fever intensified after deputy Culture Minister Piotr Zuchowski said last week he had seen contours of the train on an image from a ground- penetrating device.

The alleged site is somewhere between the 61th and the 65th kilometer of the tracks that wind their way between Walbrzych and Wroclaw.

Provincial governor Tomasz Smolarz said Monday that police, city and railway guards are now patrolling the area and blocking treasure hunters to prevent any accidents with trains running on the tracks.

"A few hectares (acres) of land are now being secured. People have been barred from the woods" surrounding the site, he said.

"Half of Walbrzych's residents and other people are going treasure hunting or just for walks to see the site. We are worried for their security," police spokeswoman Magdalena Koroscik told The Associated Press. People walking down the tracks can't escape "a train that emerges from behind the rocks at 70 kph (43 mph)."

A man taking a selfie on the tracks reportedly narrowly missed being hit, she said.

Smolarz is also asking the military to examine the site with earth-penetrating equipment to look for any hidden train.

Authorities said numerous previous reports of a find have only yielded rusty pieces of metal.

PHOTO 1: Railway guards patrolling tracks to prevent gold hunters and history buffs from getting harmed by passing trains near the site where two men allegedly found a Nazi gold train hidden underground near Walbrzych, Poland, on Monday, Aug. 31, 2015. Authorities have ordered visitors barred from the area for safety reasons.

PHOTO 2: FILE - Aug. 28, 2015 file picture of the potential site where a Nazi gold train is believed to be hidden, near the city of Walbrzych, Poland. Polish authorities have blocked off a wooded area near a railroad track after scores of treasure hunters swarmed southwest Poland looking for an alleged Nazi gold train. The city of Walbrzych and its surrounding wooded hills are experiencing a gold rush after two men, informed the authorities through their lawyers that they have found a Nazi train with armaments and valuables that reportedly went missing in the spring of 1945.

PHOTO 3: FILE - This Aug. 28, 2015 file picture shows a general view of the city of Walbrzych, Poland, near which a Nazi gold train is believed to be hidden. Polish authorities have blocked off a wooded area near a railroad track after scores of treasure hunters swarmed southwest Poland looking for an alleged Nazi gold train. The city of Walbrzych and its surrounding wooded hills are experiencing a gold rush after two men, informed the authorities through their lawyers that they have found a Nazi train with armaments and valuables that reportedly went missing in the spring of 1945.

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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2015, 04:41:43 AM »
Poland's c.bank head calls story of Nazi train find a hoax
Sept. 2, 2015 / http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/polands-cbank-head-calls-story-of-nazi-train-find-a-hoax/ar-AAdSemV?ocid=mailsignout

Poland's central bank governor Marek Belka said on Wednesday that the story of an alleged finding of a Nazi train in Poland that could contain jewels was in his opinion a hoax.

Asked if potentially the gold found in the train could add to the bank's reserves, Belka said: "I think nobody (at the central bank) even thought to devote a second to this issue. This is some hoax."

Poland's Deputy Culture Minister said last week he was almost certain Poland had located a Nazi train rumored to have gone missing near the close of World War Two loaded with guns and jewels. (Reporting by Jakub Iglewski and Pawel Sobczak; Writing by Marcin Goettig; Editing by Marcin Goclowski)

PHOTO: This file photo from March.2012, shows a part of a subterranean system built by Nazi Germany in what is today Gluszyca-Osowka, Poland. According to Polish lore, a Nazi train loaded with gold, and weapons vanished into a mountain at the end of World War II, as the Germans fled the Soviet advance. Now two men claim they know the location of the mystery train and are demanding 10 percent of its value in exchange for revealing its location.

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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2015, 04:58:21 PM »
Hello I suppose in due course we will see if it is a hoax or not?

The trouble is more legitimate claims becomes more harder to procure interest from governments as there is too many hoaxers and scammers out there. One thing with all of these claims is they have never showed any proof that this train existed in the first place?

Strange indeed only to reveal the location and not the evidence that proves it exist? Logic says you should be doing it the other way round does it not?

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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2015, 10:51:53 PM »
You are absolutely right, mate.

What I can say is.. if the Germans were able to hide a train.. that's already an amazing feat because a train is HUGE and also it needs TRACKS!

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Hello I suppose in due course we will see if it is a hoax or not?

The trouble is more legitimate claims becomes more harder to procure interest from governments as there is too many hoaxers and scammers out there. One thing with all of these claims is they have never showed any proof that this train existed in the first place?

Strange indeed only to reveal the location and not the evidence that proves it exist? Logic says you should be doing it the other way round does it not?

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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2015, 12:01:23 PM »
Hello TW

I have no doubt that much treasure from WW2 is scattered across the world still hidden. Some times  it hard to tell these days who are the real players out there and who inst.

We shall see in due course.

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Re: Poland looking into report of Nazi treasure train found
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2015, 10:39:29 AM »
Polish military urges caution in search of rumored Nazi gold train site
Sept. 8, 2015 / http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/polish-military-urges-caution-in-search-of-rumored-nazi-gold-train-site/ar-AAe5vpX?ocid=mailsignout

Polish military experts planning to examine the site where a Nazi "gold train" may have gone missing during World War II have urged authorities to first clear the thickly forested area in case it contains booby traps or volatile weapons.

New theories that the train may contain dangerous cargo have surfaced in recent days as the wooded foothills of the Owl Mountains have become the center of fevered attention for history buffs, treasure hunters and tourism promoters.

Authorities in the Lower Silesia region have warned from the outset of the purported discovery of the legendary treasure train that if it does exist, it may have been fixed with explosives or mounted guns to protect its cargo.

The British tabloid newspaper Daily Mail added to the fears of what might be discovered in the excavation when it published an article Tuesday quoting unidentified sources familiar with the recent find as speculating that the train might have been carrying the bodies of slave laborers who died building a network of tunnels for the Nazis during World War II.

Two treasure hunters set off an international frenzy in mid-August when they reported to authorities in the Lower Silesian castle town of Walbrzych that they had located a more than 300-foot-long train buried in a tunnel near the rail line that leads from the regional capital, Wroclaw.

Piotr Koper, a Pole and history enthusiast from Walbrzych, and Andreas Richter from Germany offered to lead authorities to the buried train in exchange for 10 percent of the value of its cargo.

Polish law stipulates that any valuables found on national territory belong to the state, TheNews website reported Tuesday. But national officials have apparently signed off on the requested finders' fee as an army demining team has been examining a wooded area near Walbrzych, local media have been reporting since Friday.

Lt. Col. Artur Golawski, spokesman for the army operations command, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that the initial investigation of the suspected train site found fallen trees that needed to be removed before the soldiers could complete a thorough inspection and assessment of any dangerous materials that might be buried there.

Lower Silesia was part of Germany before the Nazi defeat in 1945 and Wroclaw, then known as Breslau, was an important military staging area for the Third Reich until Soviet Red Army forces began advancing on the Germans in the last months of the war.

The Nazis built a network of tunnels, bunkers and underground warehouses in what was known as Project Riese, the German word for giant. Some of the sprawling subterranean labyrinth was explored by Poland's postwar communist government but many of the potential hiding places for the rumored treasure train have been considered inaccessible for decades because of cave-ins, suspected mines or feared accumulation of hazardous gases.

Legend circulating in Lower Silesia since the war's closing days holds that the Nazis loaded a military train with looted gold, artworks and jewelry to evacuate it from the area and keep it from falling into the hands of the approaching Soviet forces.

Poland's deputy culture minister, Piotr Zuchowski, told journalists at a Warsaw news conference on Aug. 31, before Koper and Richter came forward, that he was "more than 99 percent certain" that the train exists. He said the finders had been tipped off to the location by a man who helped hide the train 70 years ago.

The culture official's enthusiastic account of the reported train discovery has inspired an invasion of treasure and curiosity seekers, as well as enterprising new attractions by tourism purveyors.

The Ksiaz Castle museum guides have laid on new tours of the underground tunnels that honeycomb the ground beneath the hilltop fortress and the Old Mine Science and Art Center is promoting special souvenirs and T-shirts celebrating "Explore Walbrzych" excursions, TheNews website reported.