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'Nazi gold train' investigators start excavating site in Poland
« on: November 09, 2015, 01:28:16 AM »
'Nazi gold train' investigators start excavating site in Poland
Nov. 8, 2015 / http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nazi-gold-train-investigators-start-excavating-site-in-poland/ar-CC6h1t?li=AAa0dzB&ocid=mailsignout

Excavators are set to start examining a railway embankment in south-western Poland to establish how to dig out a legendary “gold train” that is thought to have been buried there in the dying days of the Third Reich.

The existence of a Nazi gold train, its whereabouts and its cargo – possibly stolen valuables and artworks – remain one of the great unsolved mysteries of the second world war.

“In the past 70 years, three cold war secret services – the United States, the Russian, then the Polish – carried out searches,’’ said Piotr Koper, a 44-year-old builder who claims to have found the suspected armoured train with a fellow treasure hunter. “We succeeded because we are local people.’’

Some historians believe up to three trains laden with arms, art, gold and archives vanished in a 18 sq mile (30 sq km) radius near the present Czech border as the Red Army advanced in 1945. The strategic area includes Hitler’s command post at the grandiose Ksiaz castle (formerly known as Fürstenstein) and Project Riese, a suspected secret weapons programme.

Project Riese was a network of underground tunnels and chambers dug out beneath the Owl Mountains by an estimated 30,000 prisoners of war and concentration camp prisoners. The earth embankment that will be surveyed this week by teams including one from Krakow’s mining academy rises up alongside the existing Wroclaw-Walbrzych railway line.
The underground galleries of Nazi Germany‘s ‘Project Riese’ construction project under the Ksiaz castle in Walbrzych, Poland. Photograph: Janek Skarzynski/AFP/Getty Images

It will be checked with magnetic field detectors, thermal imaging cameras and radars. The site, on the outskirts of Walbrzych, has been under police guard since August when Koper and his friend, German-born Andreas Richter, showed the authorities images they had taken with a £7,000 ground-penetrating radar kit.

“Four years ago, we were given information by a witness who was in Walbrzych at the time the train disappeared in April 1945. Radar technology has become affordable so we were able to check the information,’’ said Koper, who would not reveal if he knew anything about the hiding places of the other two supposed trains.

“The Nazis dug out the embankment, created a junction and laid track to divert the train off to the side. Then they parked the train, which is 90 metres long, removed the rails and put back the soil,’’ said Koper.

Since August, the Polish military has cleared vegetation from an area the size of a football pitch. Soldiers have swept for mines and analysed the ground for the presence of poison gas. During the holocaust, Zyklon B – for use in gas chambers – is believed to have been transported on the line.

The treasure hunters’ images show only the outline of what appears to be a train. “We do not know what is inside, only that it is armoured, which suggests a precious cargo,’’ says Koper. ‘’There could be gold but that is not what interests us. In fact, we were looking for a tunnel when we found the train.’’

The men have hired a lawyer and applied to the Polish treasury for a reward of 10% of the eventual value of the train and its contents. “We have worked four for years to get to the bottom of legends that have flown around our city for 70 years. It has become a fascination,’’ says Koper who adds that he and Richter are well out of pocket for having self-funded all their research.

But others in Walbrzych, a depressed coal mining town with smog-stained blocks of flats and 20% unemployment, are already cashing in. Initial reports of the discovery, in August, brought a stream of tourists bearing metal detectors.

Walbrzych now has a Gold Train Car Wash, a Gold Train Skoda dealership, a ‘Gold’ bar and a line in souvenirs including fridge magnets, stickers, bags and gold ingot paperweights. At the city’s museum, there is a waiting list for Gold Train mugs.

“I’m no Indiana Jones,’’ said the district governor, Jacek Cichura, “but my colleagues in the rest of Poland now call me the Gold Governor. We are in a special economic zone. Life is tough. The young people are leaving to work abroad. But the gold train has brought a tourism boom.’’

The influx of visitors is being felt across the district - from the towering Ksiaz Castle to the mist-clad Owl Mountains 10 miles (15km) to the south. According to local legend, the Führer’s castle lair is linked by at least one secret tunnel to Walbrzych and onwards to Project Riese’s underground network. Riese means giant in German and this was where Hitler’s ‘’Wunderwaffe’’ (magic weapons) were supposedly under development.

It is unclear to what extent the underground mega city and arms factory actually functioned and how much of what we know is simply surviving propaganda. But for the past 12 years, carpenter Krzysztof Szpakowski, 56, has dowsed his way to uncovering thousands of metres of passages dynamited into the pine-clad Owl Mountains. Some tunnels are flooded but in others he has found German machine guns and prisoner-of-war graffiti.

An eclectic mix of visitors – from militaria maniacs to bat fanciers – signs up for his guided tours. But Szpakowski himself has the exploration bug. He broke his arm last week when he slipped in one of the Riese’s dank, eerie tunnels.

“This was a closed military area – first Russian, then Polish – until 1991. The soldiers were looking for something. When I was a teenager we knew something had gone on here. But there was no one to ask because all the (German) residents were shipped out of the area and replaced by Poles after the Potsdam Agreement.’’

Szpakowski, Koper and Richter collaborate in their treasure-hunting by lending each other equipment. But they have different views of what is on board the “gold train’’. Szpakowski believes it contains top secret strategic equipment.

He said: ‘’The Nazis wanted to develop an atomic bomb. They were working on anti-gravity propulsion. There is something on that train that was intended for Riese. We only know 5% of what went on in this part of the world,’’ he said.

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Re: 'Nazi gold train' investigators start excavating site in Poland
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2015, 01:32:12 PM »
Check this link for some "" pics "" .

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/military-vehicle-news/gold-train-plot-twist-real-images-of-the-train-not-unearthed.html

As to if these pics are REAL and or from THIS TRAIN, that is up for speculation right now.  I ran a photo shop check of the date on the bottom corner, it has been deliberately blurred and I think it is dummied up for security reasons.  BUT I did a lot of photo shop on the pictures themselves, it is a real site, not a movie prop.  But is it the same site ??  That I can't say.  What I do find very interesting is the insignia on the wood box's which is also found on the skirt of the outside of the rear armored train car.  Attached is a blown up cut out of the mark.  I am not that familiar with European marks but I have seen this before.  Yes it is to do with the NAZI structure but of the Global Nazi organization.  I will be asking more from others about this organization.

Those metal bars are not GOLD, SILVER or PLATINUM, too light to be held in one hand, but, they appear to be machine cut.  There is apparently boxs of that stuff, not lead either.  He would not be holding a gold or lead bar that way.  I suspect some kind of then very important light weight alloy.  perhaps some form of then advanced weapon construction material.

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Re: 'Nazi gold train' investigators start excavating site in Poland
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2015, 01:33:12 PM »
Forgot the pic.  Here it is.

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2015, 01:44:03 PM »
Any one have any info on the Mark ???  There is oil stains on the side walk of the tunnel.  BUT it just looks too clean, but if it is a prop, they put a lot of work into it.  Including marks or scratches on the sides.  Just looks too clean, no dust.  Coal fired locomotives are very dirty.  The canvas looks very clean and the wood looks very fresh but I have wood from the inside of a clean building that looks just like that and it is 60 years old.

Just looks too clean but then ??????

The Zero's we found are in a cement lined tunnel, some moisture, some heavy dust but otherwise not bad.  The bunker has steel doors in a cement casing, that was covered with about 35 feet of dirt so there is some moisture that got in.  Flat tires and such but totally no war damage.  That's what makes me wonder about this being clean.  How did they get in ??  Air shaft ?????

There are a lot of service tunnels that were dug under New York City about 110 years ago with miniature railroads and such.  Their construction is just like this tunnel construction.

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Re: 'Nazi gold train' investigators start excavating site in Poland
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2015, 11:32:58 PM »
Interesting. Hey can you post some pictures of those Japanese Zeros? Awesome find!
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