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Offline Janner

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Diamond scam.
« on: March 05, 2010, 04:22:39 AM »
Once more approached by people, this time diamonds for sale.....


The guy arrived and produced from his wallet a glittering stone shaped, what looked like glass.
And said "there is a lot more to". So i said i will test it to ensure it is a "real" diamond, to which he said, "ok"!

Now this is where it gets funny, I put the so called diamond on my big vice, and hit it with a hammer, the guy looked shocked and shouted "Hoyy!!! So I said what's up Bro, diamonds are the hardest substance known and it wont hurt or even scratch it. But ...his Diamond was a small patch of whitish dust, the remains of pounded glass.    "Scam" !!

I told him your diamond is glass, and if you have anymore, keep them for the kids to play with.

he went looking really pi$$ed off........

I spent the rest of the day chuckling over his look of disbelief.....


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Re: Diamond scam.
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2010, 04:55:56 AM »
 :o :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Diamond scam.
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2010, 05:50:58 AM »
Janner,

Thanks for that. But I would be very careful destroying their FAKE stuff like that cause then they want to blame you for destroying their REAL stuff and maybe want some revenge on you! Watch your back, bro!

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Re: Diamond scam.
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2010, 07:39:49 AM »
yep got that,
all transaction done on my place are videoed. plus the guy is a well known scammer in the area.
He knows the deal here and wont be any trouble. besides,
my brother in law knows him, and he is one mean sob...........

but as always we are careful and try not to make enemies

still see him and he always smiles or waves....


Ah well

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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2010, 10:07:19 PM »
Many have been scammed in africa by this "DIAMOND SCAM" there was a documentary on BBC that tells the story of british couple owning a hotel in kenya, they were befriended with one of their patriotic client introduced by one of their bestfriend..they were handled a "diamond" to be sold in britain only to find out that the diamond is indeed value-less...When they came back to africa, they found that their hotel is ransacked, looted and idle, worst the british man had been beaten by the diamond owner accusing him of pocketing the diamond. He then complained to the authorities only to find the SCAMMER in the police station smiling at him, Instead of helping the british man, he was beaten and jailed and even wanted him to sign a letter admitting that he has taken 5 million kenyan currency(he never signed) He was was coned even by his lawyer,authorities and sentenced to 10 years in jail....

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2010, 06:32:38 AM »
Swindler,
Wow.. what a NIGHTMARE story! Very sad indeed!
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2010, 12:38:28 PM »
DIAMONDS.
        While diamonds relative hardness of 10 on the MOHS Scale, it is prone to breakage. Diamonds is BRITTLE although it is extremely hard, diamond will shatter if struck with a hammer or other large force. Please do not test your find this way as it will be really expensive if what you struck with a hammer is real. Do your research, Google or Ask.com or go to your nearest Jeweler.

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2010, 07:50:58 PM »
Of course it will, but he didnt know that,
 also as my Grandfather was the jeweller to the Mayor of London, a little of his knowledge has rubbed off on me. That does not make me an expert, but sufficient knowledge to determine fake from real.

Isnt this a good site for knowledge and information.........................

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2010, 03:44:41 AM »
Isnt this a good site for knowledge and information.........................

Yes it is, Mate! That's exactly what we want here. Let's keep it going, gentlemen!
Cheers!
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2010, 07:02:54 AM »
And...........just to ensure that what you have in your hand is a real diamond....
ALL diamonds are marked on the "Girdle" with a classification code by the person who cut the stone..

on the top of the diamond is the "Table", the flat part, the slopes going down are called "Lands" and in between is a ring around the perimeter dividing the two, which is called the "Girdle", so you need a strong magnifying glass and you will see it.

typical coding would be........8/DCLA 105836.

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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2010, 06:31:06 AM »
Additional information about diamonds:

1. Diamonds are pure crystallized carbon. In its rough state, it may seem of little value.
Stylus is the instrument used in testing diamonds. It is a blunt instrument with a tip called CORUNDUM. Being the hardest of all minerals, diamond can even resist the pointed tip of the stylus. Press against a genuine diamond, the tip of the stylus slides. But rub against a fake diamond, the tip produces friction.

2. Rough Diamonds:

A diamond in the ‘rough” is still diamond no matter how irregular its shape appears to be. Rough diamond crystals are classified as follows:
a.   Stones and shapes (octahedron or unbroken crystals of irregular shapes)
b.   Cleavages (broken crystals of irregular shapes)
c.   Macles (triangular twin crystals)
d.   Flats (this broken crystals with two flat parallel sides)

3. Diamond cutting

It is the way a rough diamond is cut that gives its beauty, sparkle and value. Cutting diamond is a big industry. A number of countries are known for their specialization in cutting and polishing diamonds. But there are only 4 major cutting centers in the world, namely Bombay, New York, Antwerp and Tel Aviv. However, South Africa, Holland and Brazil are also emerging as important cutting centers. Diamond cutting is also a growing industry in Russia.

Steps in cutting a diamond:

A.   The first step consists of examining the stone to determine how it should be cut. A tool called loupe is used in this process which only takes few minutes to do.
There are two factors to consider in this stage: first a rough diamond loses more than half of its weight during the cutting process, and second, the position and direction of the cutting should allow for the maximum passage of light into the stone. A cutter should always bear in mind that it is the flow of light into the facets or stone cuts that gives a diamond its intricate sparkle.

B.   The diamond is marked with Indium ink to indicate the divisions or cutting lines. This stage is called   cross working. An octahedron, for example, is divided in the middle, and then both parts are cut into a round shape. The cuts or facets are ground and checked carefully to guard against cutting away too much stone. A diamond with only 18 facets is called single cut.

      C.  For a 58 facet diamond, the final cutting stage is called full brilliant cut. Here,
            40 more facets are added to the 18 facets of a single cut.

D.   The final process is the polishing of a cut diamond. It is considered a long
exacting and expensive process. The shape of a polished diamond is also called a cut.
(From manual of jewelries)
 
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2010, 06:36:28 AM »
SHAPES OR CUTS OF A POLISHED DIAMOND

Except for the baguette, the following cuts have 58 facets:

a.   Round – otherwise called the brilliant cut, this is the most popular diamond      cut. The rest are considered fancy cuts.
b.   Oval – rounded but elongated
c.   Marquis – round at the middle, pointed at each end
d.   Pear shape – rounded at one end and pointed at the other
e.   Heart shape – shape like a pear cut but with a notch in the rounded end
f.   Emerald – eight sided and rectangular in shape.
g.   Baguette – shaped like the emerald cut, but only with four tapered sides.

These symbols are use to indicate the different degrees of diamond clarity. A perfect diamond is flawless, which means that there is nothing in it in the form of clouds, bubbles or mineral inclusions to block the flow of light by international standard. A diamond is graded with a loupe of 10x power. Inclusions are easily spotted this way.

FL - Flawless. This means that the diamond is pure and without any visible inclusion under 10x loupe magnification.

IF - Internally flawless. It means that insignificant marks or inclusions are seen with the use of the loupe.

VVSI – Very Very slight Inclusion (1). Inclusions are extremely difficult to detect. Almost invisible.

VVS2 – Very Very slight Inclusion (2). Inclusions are still very difficult to detect.

VS1 – Very Slight Inclusion. Inclusions are difficult to see face up.

VS2 – Very Slight Inclusion (2). Inclusions are somewhat easily detected under loupe magnification

SI1 – Slight inclusion (1). Inclusion is easily found under loupe magnification

SI2 – Slight Inclusion (2).  Inclusion is very easy to detect under loupe magnification. It may be seen at the pavilion with naked eye.

I – Imperfect or “Pique”. Inclusion can be easily seen even naked or unaided eye.

COLOR

 Diamonds maybe of different colors. However, it is the colorless ones that command the highest values. The color tints of diamonds start with yellow.
Diamonds also come in other colors like brown, green, pink, orange and blue. Diamonds in these colors are rare and are called fancies. Colored diamonds do not have as much brilliance as the colorless ones, though.


The following is a chart on diamond color grading. The percentage refers to yellow tint. As the percentage decreases, the yellow tint increases:

             PERCENTAGE                                      LETTER


Colorless                 
                                            100%                                                         D
                                              99%                                                         E
                                              98%                                                         F
                                              97%                                                         G
Near Colorless         
                                              96%                                                         H
                                              95%                                                          I                                                       
                                              94%                                                          J
                                              93%                                                         K
Slightly tinted White
                                              92%                                                          L
                                              92%                                                          M
                                              90%                                                          N
                                             
Very light yellow
                                              89%                                                          O
                                              88%                                                          P
                                              87%                                                          Q
Light Yellow to
Fancy Yellow                                                                                        R-Z
                                         

(From jeweller's manual)


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Re: Diamond scam.
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2010, 03:20:44 AM »
some well meaning hunters just need education on most finds..,like this old man i talked to., he somehow thought he had the real thing cause he found it digging near an old spanish house..at first sight i had an idea of what it was ..but i tested it anyway and i politely told him its crystal glass from an old chandelier piece..i can almost see the tears well up in his eyes...his hopes for vanished in an instant... ;)