The Southeast Asian Treasure Connection
YAMASHITA'S / WW2 TREASURE => General Yamashita's Treasure Questions & Info => Topic started by: Gboy on June 01, 2010, 05:38:38 AM
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Gentlemen,
What is the benefit if we will produce a Japs straggler ?
Will he be the ...most loyal soldier in the world bcoz for 70 years he didn't abandon his military post?
am just asking...who knows ....secret ;D
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Lt. Hiroo Onoda has been hiding in Lubang Island for 30 years. A hero for Japan but a nuisance for the islanders. So he is either of the two, depending upon the side of the viewer
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Onoda can be seen as loyal but he created havoc on that island, he fished and steal food and livestocks from the villagers and in many occasion even shooting people who may get near to his lair...But for me he is a coward, cannot accept defeat and scared to know the truth or scared enough not to leave the island and know the truth that war is over for decades!!! what i admired from him is his determination and perceverance. his skill in jungle survival is beyond anyones reach....
**So if Gboy is planning to train a person similar to what onoda can do then it will be worthy,,but the assurance that this trained person can immitate onodas trustworthiness and loyal can be a big question. This trained person will be rich after emptying all those treasure caves. And Gboy end up eating his toe nails again... ;D
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I know a YTHr friend who had 4 Japs straggler...(Col and his 3 staff, all have kempetai tattoos). In fact he had just meet them these summer. The problem the Japs are in hiding bcoz some armed groups are harassing them for their hidden treasure (100 tons). All the Japs had families here already(they look like mestizo natives), they do not want to return to Japan bcoz they hate their Emperor bcoz they didn't bother or help them thru these years...
Actually these Japs...are walking treasure already bcoz their "WW2 benefits, back pay and overtime pay" alone in 70 years are already worth $millions. Imagine they never abandoned their post for 70 years...lots of overtime pay ;D...hhhhhhmmmmm napakalaking pera sana....
Problem...they are afraid to go in open bcoz armed goons run after them, they already killed some of their tribes mates...tsk,tsk...PERA NA NAGING BATO PA hehehe ;D
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Actually these Japs stragglers are not isolated and violent like Lt. Onoda, they just look like ordinary tribal natives chieftain...the only difference is they are white skinned...obviously Japs. Thats why when they were confronted by my friend, they admitted that they are indeed Japs stragglers. Problem when these Japs straggler (mestizo native) attempted to haul treasure, they were monitored by armed groups...now they are in hiding.
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TH Brothers,
I just want to share about the topic of Lt. Onoda or Lt. Onida whom his Commanding Officer is my brother in law friend.And what this commanding officer done before taking Onida in Lubang he just make penpal to somebody which luckily he pick my brother in law which serve as his middleman and to make the story short after taking Onida in Lubang my brother in law has been given a reward by this JAPS Officer to be with him when he went back to japan and given a three(3) maps in bicol area as he requested the officer because he dont know the other area which offered to him by the officer (Sta. Maria Laguna,Mabitac Laguna, Buso Buso Rizal, Cebu) and out of three maps only one they found in Oas,Albay a silver and gold coins @ 45ft but the bars and diamond left due to ignorance how to decode a map and the two maps they didnt find and he gave to someone.
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seems here everyone is a friend of your bro in law..?
Especially Japanese WWII officers or FM or......
I'm just skeptical of stories like this,,
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If I have a Japanese straggler I should have been a Millionaire by now....
If his a real Japanese
Scene 1:
1. He should have kept his insignia/dog tag/sword intact.
2. He should be listed in the Master Copy of all the soldiers, generals, armies and spies.
3. He should still be able to know how to speak Japanese and can still remember his codename or his name in Japanese.
4. He should pass the DNA test if his the same person 80 or 70 years ago.
5. The court will judge him and honor him and gave him his share.... if his a high rank Official then its about $80 to $100 Million
Scene 2: What if he died today? "knock on wood" simbaku lang"
1. His son/daughter can pass the DNA test
2. son/daughter should have known their father's real name/codename
3. The court will judge them and honor them.
4. The government will recognize them and become citizens of japan, if they are uneducated the government will handle all the necessary conditions such as education, learning of japanese and et al.
and then finally the government will gave to them their father's share.
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Good insight Curscute... ;)
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If I have a Japanese straggler I should have been a Millionaire by now....
If his a real Japanese
Scene 1:
1. He should have kept his insignia/dog tag/sword intact.
2. He should be listed in the Master Copy of all the soldiers, generals, armies and spies. (there isnt one)
3. He should still be able to know how to speak Japanese and can still remember his codename or his name in Japanese.(most do)
4. He should pass the DNA test if his the same person 80 or 70 years ago.(NO DNA 70-80 yrs ago, so impossible)
5. The court will judge him and honor him and gave him his share.... if his a high rank Official then its about $80 to $100 Million (share of "What"?)
(Irrelevant)
Scene 2: What if he died today? "knock on wood" simbaku lang"
1. His son/daughter can pass the DNA test (if a "straggler how would he have children?)
2. son/daughter should have known their father's real name/codename
3. The court will judge them and honor them.
4. The government will recognize them and become citizens of japan, if they are uneducated the government will handle all the necessary conditions such as education, learning of japanese and et al.
and then finally the government will gave to them their father's share.
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If I have a Japanese straggler I should have been a Millionaire by now....
If his a real Japanese
Scene 1:
1. He should have kept his insignia/dog tag/sword intact.
A friend of my Pops who's father is a Japanese Rank soldier kept his father's Insignia intact coupled with his father's Photo in his army days.
2. He should be listed in the Master Copy of all the soldiers, generals, armies and spies. (there isnt one)Not only one but 3 Master Copy.
3. He should still be able to know how to speak Japanese and can still remember his codename or his name in Japanese.(most do) In some cases they forgot/forget that they are japanese maybe due to old age since some of them is 14 or 16 years old when they came here in the Philippines and that so much have changed in their life.
4. He should pass the DNA test if his the same person 80 or 70 years ago.(NO DNA 70-80 yrs ago, so impossible) True but this is how they do things in Japan (a daughter of japanese (WW2)spy told us).
5. The court will judge him and honor him and gave him his share.... if his a high rank Official then its about $80 to $100 Million (share of "What"?) If my memory serves me right I have seen a documentary that Onoda receive $60 Million from japanese government. at that time I'm not quite interested in YMT's. and I don't really give much attention to it.
(Irrelevant)
Scene 2: What if he died today? "knock on wood" simbaku lang"
1. His son/daughter can pass the DNA test (if a "straggler how would he have children?) Yes some japanese straggler married to a filipina natives "Blaan" & others. I have also known that some Japanese Spy can speak 3 or more dialects at that time, Maguindanaon "Muslim", Ilonggo, Cebuano, Tagalog. That some Japanese Generals/Admirals and other Japanese is studying in America
2. son/daughter should have known their father's real name/codename
3. The court will judge them and honor them.
4. The government will recognize them and become citizens of japan, if they are uneducated the government will handle all the necessary conditions such as education, learning of japanese and et al.
and then finally the government will gave to them their father's share.
Some things is quite unbelievable but it really happens.... Just like last year my grandma told us that in our neighbors backyard is used to be a japanese soldier's graveyard, maybe that's the reason that every time I look at their backyard at night it gives me the creeps.
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1. His son/daughter can pass the DNA test how can they pass it when there wasnt any...??? C'mon get real. !!!
4. He should pass the DNA test if his the same person 80 or 70 years ago.(NO DNA 70-80 yrs ago, so impossible) True but this is how they do things in Japan (a daughter of japanese (WW2)spy told us).
Some things is quite unbelievable but it really happens.... Just like last year my grandma told us that in our neighbors backyard is used to be a japanese soldier's graveyard, maybe that's the reason that every time I look at their backyard at night it gives me the creeps.
absolutely no offense intended but,....being a paramedic for the past many many years, that is BS...!!
WWII Japanese spy etc etc..... ::)
There was NO DNA then so impossible to connect or test !!
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1. His son/daughter can pass the DNA test how can they pass it when there wasnt any...??? C'mon get real. !!!
4. He should pass the DNA test if his the same person 80 or 70 years ago.(NO DNA 70-80 yrs ago, so impossible) True but this is how they do things in Japan (a daughter of japanese (WW2)spy told us).
Some things is quite unbelievable but it really happens.... Just like last year my grandma told us that in our neighbors backyard is used to be a japanese soldier's graveyard, maybe that's the reason that every time I look at their backyard at night it gives me the creeps.
absolutely no offense intended but,....being a paramedic for the past many many years, that is BS...!!
WWII Japanese spy etc etc..... ::)
There was NO DNA then so impossible to connect or test !!
I don't care if you believe it or not because it was base thru her experience....
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Ooppss... I forgot to tell that she has living relatives (japanese) in Japan too. Maybe it explains the DNA thing....
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Questions about children of Japanese stragglers. Was the marriage between the Japanese and the Filipina legal or was it just a live-in sort of thing. What if the Japanese straggler has a wife and kids in Japan, would his children in the Philippines be considered as legal by the Japanese government ? Too many IFs,and did somebody did a research about what is legal and illegal children with the Japanese government. If a Single Foreign National had kids with a Filipina and the kid was born in the Philippines, the Foreign Father should acknowledge that it is truly his child and he has to submit paperworks, nothing is automatic. I have 2 kids born in Okinawa, Japan and they have a choice of acquiring their Japanese citizenship when they reach the age of 21 and then it has to be proven and they have to submit paperworks. Let us not assume that everything is automatic in acquiring citizenship from a foreign country, nothing is that easy.
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Good points too T-Hunter!!!,
nothing is instant nowadays, even instant cofee, you have to prepare the hot water before you can make one....
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A japanese based company here in the Phil. came to here asking why she has that last name (japanese) as to make it short since her mother is still alive they gathered all the information to her mother. and the jap. government had finally proven that she is indeed the daughter of the said JIA.
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What about if somebody discovered skeletons, bones and other belongings inside the caves believed to be JIA soldiers who died during the WWII.
1. What is the usual identification of JIA except from the sword? do they have dogtag?;
2. Is The Japanese government will compensate the finder?;
3. where we can get the roster of Japanese soldier during WWII?;
Just asking, anybody can give a comment for broader explanation. thanks so much.
TS
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TS,
Well the Japanese Gov. has sent a few teams to the Philippines before to recover their MIA soldiers so I would think that if you have some good information as to where some JIA skeletons are then they will most likely be happy to compensate you financially for that info.
TW
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What I read from the net is that JIA skeletons is worth more than 1,500 - 4,000 pesos per skeleton, And just additional Idea this JIA did not die in Battle but buried alive or poisoned by their comrades & greedy generals, Japanese used to believe that they will be the spirit guardians of the loot.
I'm not also sure if this JIA did a harakiri too.
My pops guide a japanese national in a mountain believed to be a positive YT area . as they reached the peak of the mountain the japanese collapsed and after some 30 minutes or so he recovered he really cried a lot as to the wonder of my father ::), asked what's the reason why he was crying :(... He said he saw his relatives (who are JIA) and they hug him and very happy :) to see him it's like he was dreaming but he didn't know that he collapse.
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TW and curscute, thanks for the additional infos and ideas, we have reliable information from the person/s who did the scour the caves and while they were inside the cave they saw nine skeletons and besides of the skeletons their are hardsacks full of items, they immediately return because they will be suffocated by poison gas. its only a matter of 5 minutes stay inside the cave under the mountain.
as per my research, maybe the skeletons are the one brings the items inside the cave to hide or buried the same and afterward, the officers guard deactivated the ladder that is why they can not go out of the cave because it almost 50 meters high climb from the entrance or the officer guard throw a poison gas to be sure that they only know the place where the loot were kept, buried and hide.
my group are on the process of going to the place, we have already gas mask and other things for our TH opn. and if we can recover anything that will positively pinpointed to JIA/MIA i will post it here so that we can contact the japanese government. again thanks for the info
TS
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That's fantastic, TS.
Yes, take some good photos for all of us here. We would really love to see that.
If inside the cave, please don't touch or remove any of those Japanese soldier skeletons. Just remove all the treasure and good stuff first and take lots of photos. Then, you can later bring the Japanese Government people so they can carefully remove any soldiers remains.
Good luck to you all!
TW
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TW, thanks again, we will do it
TS
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Early last year, while a condominium is being constructed in Roxas Blvd, Metro Manila, a skeleton of what appears to be a solider was accidentally discovered. Judging from the rusted metal helmet and a water jug found near his remains. Sadly the bones were just put away. Nobody bothered to identify or call the authorities. I took some pictures but I will have to find it.
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re-bones: the japanese gov. used to pay well for the bones of fallen soldiers (ain't matter the circumstances of death), yet you "should" provide details of your discovery. Either you tell the truth or make up a story. Sure is that there is a gov.japanese treasure hunting recovery team very active here,they know everything about the sites,well trained,and have access to anything needed,but the way they work is sadly to say "bad". Dont trust them (no disrespect to japan).
If you find a skeleton in a tunnel - dont touch it, dont remove it - analyse it it might (should) give you details, signs of direction of "perhaps" the gift deposit or a cache or?! look out if there is a bone missing,every detail means a lot ! a finger missing?! usually in caves are 2 guardians,but once can find many more skeletons,maybe the helpers,POW, yet again every detail is important,b4 you remove any bone ! If you open a cave or a site where the bodies still more or less intact, again - analyse everything, depending your air supply,or inside a cave most probably in the chamber will be 2 guardians, always take your time, dont do anything hasty ! be prudent !
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re-bones: the japanese gov. used to pay well for the bones of fallen soldiers (ain't matter the circumstances of death), yet you "should" provide details of your discovery. Either you tell the truth or make up a story. Sure is that there is a gov.japanese treasure hunting recovery team very active here,they know everything about the sites,well trained,and have access to anything needed,but the way they work is sadly to say "bad". Dont trust them (no disrespect to japan).
If you find a skeleton in a tunnel - dont touch it, dont remove it - analyse it it might (should) give you details, signs of direction of "perhaps" the gift deposit or a cache or?! look out if there is a bone missing,every detail means a lot ! a finger missing?! usually in caves are 2 guardians,but once can find many more skeletons,maybe the helpers,POW, yet again every detail is important,b4 you remove any bone ! If you open a cave or a site where the bodies still more or less intact, again - analyse everything, depending your air supply,or inside a cave most probably in the chamber will be 2 guardians, always take your time, dont do anything hasty ! be prudent !
I dont go with any of the above details, as in most cases bones are scattered all over the place, this being due to the various rodents inside the cave/tunnel. and of course the condition when they died (explosion or what?)
NO guardians, NO ghosts just bad smell and lots of bits.
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sure i agree if rodents have access then the picture could change.
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gov.japanese treasure hunting recovery team
Politician/military - Japanese treasure hunting team - This I believe because this is privately and personally sanctioned only for personal interest.
Government - Japanese treasure hunting team - This I do not believe, because there is no such team. Always personal interest comes in. Have anyone heard any politician giving fund to the government? It is the other way around.
If there is such thing as Government-Japanese recovery team, (1) how do they justify the fund spent for it? Note that no government fund shall be spend except in pursuant to appropriation law or ordinance (approved budget) approved prior to the current year (RA 7160); and (2) there is no such thing as budgeting for unproven expeditions (witch hunting). Precisely that is the reason why the National Historical Institute is being criticized for always coming-in late when there are Galleons (Historical Sites ans structures) being discovered. If people has been proven to have already recovered part of the loot, then the cavalry comes in to check the veracity due to and in accordance to the RECEIVED REPORTS. :D To late for the agency.
As for a STILL LIVING STRAGGLER or any LIVE POINTER, let's say 18 years old in 1942, then he should be 88 years old this year. This should warn anyone when someone claims to be a living pointer or straggler. Ask what is he to the JIA during the war; then always check the age and the physical being if he is indeed 88 years old and above or below 88 years of age.
Our last pointer which I had personally talked with last year has died 4 weeks ago. He was 11 years old then in 1945 and was the stable boy, responsible in taking care of the horse of the Japanese Officer. He died before he reached his 78 years of age but left some stories still to be proven correct and precise to the dot.
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Interesting! My bestfriend had also the same experience. The cave is(was or is :) ) guarded by a JIA in skeletons and still holding a rifle. Cave was toxic. According to him, there are about 16 remains/skeletons of JIA.
So Troubleshooter, can you update us po in this?
TW and curscute, thanks for the additional infos and ideas, we have reliable information from the person/s who did the scour the caves and while they were inside the cave they saw nine skeletons and besides of the skeletons their are hardsacks full of items, they immediately return because they will be suffocated by poison gas. its only a matter of 5 minutes stay inside the cave under the mountain.
as per my research, maybe the skeletons are the one brings the items inside the cave to hide or buried the same and afterward, the officers guard deactivated the ladder that is why they can not go out of the cave because it almost 50 meters high climb from the entrance or the officer guard throw a poison gas to be sure that they only know the place where the loot were kept, buried and hide.
my group are on the process of going to the place, we have already gas mask and other things for our TH opn. and if we can recover anything that will positively pinpointed to JIA/MIA i will post it here so that we can contact the japanese government. again thanks for the info
TS